Igniters,
Honestly I still do not see how to apply it gracefully this feature ti
Ignite. And overall approach to compress only particular fields looks
overcomplicated to me. Remember, that our main use case is an application
without classes on the server. It means that any kind of annotations are
inapplicable. To be more precise: proper API should be implemented to
handle no-class case (e.g. how would build such an object through
BinaryBuilder without a class?), and only then add annotations as
convenient addition to more basic API.
It seems to me that full implementation, which takes in count proper
"classless" API, changes to binary metadata to reflect compressed fields,
changes to SQL, changes to binary protocol, and porting to .NET and CPP,
will yield very complex solution with little value to the product.
Instead, as I proposed earlier, it seems that we'd better start with the
problem we are trying to solve. Basically, compression could help in two
cases:
1) Transmitting data over wire - it should be implemented on communication
layer and should not affect binary serialization component a lot.
2) Storing data in memory - here the much simpler step would be to full
compression on per-cache basis rather than dealing with per-fields case.
In the end, if user would like to compress particular field, he can always
to it on his own, and set already compressed field to our BinaryObject.
Vladimir.
On Thu, Jun 8, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Vyacheslav Daradur <daradu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Valentin,
>
> Yes, I have the prototype[1][2]
>
> You can see an example of Java class[3] that I used in my benchmark.
> For example:
> class Foo {
> @BinaryCompression
> String data;
> }
> If user make decision to store the object in compressed form, he can use
> the annotation @BinaryCompression as shown above.
> It means annotated field 'data' will be compressed at marshalling.
>
> [1] https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/1951
> [2] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-5226
> [3]
> https://github.com/daradurvs/ignite-compression/blob/
> master/src/main/java/ru/daradurvs/ignite/compression/model/Audit1F.java
>
>
>
> 2017-06-08 2:04 GMT+03:00 Valentin Kulichenko <
> valentin.kuliche...@gmail.com
> >:
>
> > Vyacheslav, Anton,
> >
> > Are there any ideas and/or prototypes for the API? Your design
> suggestions
> > seem to make sense, but I would like to see how it all this will like
> from
> > user's standpoint.
> >
> > -Val
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 1:06 AM, Антон Чураев <churaev...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Vyacheslav, correct me if something wrong
> > >
> > > We could provide opportunity of choose between CPU usage and MEM/NET
> > usage
> > > for users by compression some attributes of stored objects.
> > > You have learned design, and it is possible to localize changes in
> > > marshalling without performance affect and current functionality.
> > >
> > > I think, that it's usefull for our project and users.
> > > Community, what do you think about this proposal?
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-06-06 17:29 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <daradu...@gmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > In short,
> > > >
> > > > During marshalling a fields is represented as BinaryFieldAccessor
> which
> > > > manages its marshalling. It checks if the field is marked by
> annotation
> > > > @BinaryCompression, in that case - binary representation of field
> > (bytes
> > > > array) will be compressed. It will be marked as compressed by types
> > > > constant (GridBinaryMarshaller.COMPRESSED), after this the
> compressed
> > > > bytes
> > > > array wiil be include in binary representation of whole object. Note,
> > > > header of marshalled object will not be compressed. Compression
> > affected
> > > > only object's field representation.
> > > >
> > > > Objects in IgniteCache is represented as BinaryObject which is
> wrapper
> > > over
> > > > bytes array of marshalled object.
> > > > BinaryObject provides some usefull methods, which are used by Ignite
> > > > systems.
> > > > For example, the Queries use BinaryObject#field method, which
> > > deserializes
> > > > only field of object, without deserializing of whole object.
> > > > BinaryObject#field method during deserialization, if meets the
> constant
> > > of
> > > > compressed type, decompress this bytes array, then continue
> > unmarshalling
> > > > as usual.
> > > >
> > > > Now, I introduced the Compressor interface in IgniteConfigurations,
> it
> > > > allows user to use own implementation of compressor - it is the
> > > requirement
> > > > in the task[1].
> > > >
> > > > As far as I know, Vladimir Ozerov doesn't like the idea of granting
> > this
> > > > opportunity to the user.
> > > > In that case we can choose a compression algorithm which we will
> > provide
> > > by
> > > > default and will move the interface to internals of binary
> > > infractructure.
> > > > For this case I've prepared benchmarked, which I've sent earlier.
> > > >
> > > > I vote for ZSTD algorithm[2], it provides good compression ratio and
> > good
> > > > throughput. It has implementation in Java, .NET and C++, and has
> > > > ASF-friendly license, we can use it in the all Ignite platforms.
> > > > You can look at an assessment of this algorithm in my benchmark's
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-3592
> > > > [2]https://github.com/facebook/zstd
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2017-06-06 16:02 GMT+03:00 Антон Чураев <churaev...@gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > > Looks good for me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could You propose design of implementation in couple of sentences?
> > > > > So that we can estimate the completeness and complexity of the
> > > proposal.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2017-06-06 15:26 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <daradu...@gmail.com
> >:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anton,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Of course, the solution does not affect on existing
> > implementation. I
> > > > > mean,
> > > > > > there is no changes if user not use the annotation
> > > @BinaryCompression.
> > > > > (no
> > > > > > performance changes)
> > > > > > Only if user make decision to use compression on specific field
> or
> > > > fields
> > > > > > of a class - in that case compression will be used at marshalling
> > in
> > > > > > relation to annotated fields.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2017-06-06 15:10 GMT+03:00 Антон Чураев <churaev...@gmail.com>:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Is it possible to propose implementation that can be switched
> on
> > > > > > on-demand?
> > > > > > > In this case it should not affect performance of current
> > solution.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I mean, that users should make decision what is more important
> > for
> > > > > them:
> > > > > > > throutput or memory/net usage.
> > > > > > > May be they will be choose not all objects, or only some
> > attributes
> > > > of
> > > > > > > objects for compress.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2017-06-06 14:48 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > >:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Conclusion:
> > > > > > > > Provided solution allows reduce size of an object in
> > IgniteCache
> > > at
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > cost of throughput reduction (small - in some cases), it
> > depends
> > > on
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > object which will be compressed and compression algorithm.
> > > > > > > > I mean, we can make more effective use of memory, and in some
> > > cases
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > reduce loading of the interconnect. (replication,
> rebalancing)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Especially, it will be particularly useful for object's
> fields
> > > > which
> > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > large text (>~ 250 bytes) and can be effectively compressed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 2017-06-06 12:00 GMT+03:00 Антон Чураев <
> churaev...@gmail.com
> > >:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Vyacheslav, thank you! But could you please provide a
> > > conclusions
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > proposals based on this benchmarks?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 2017-06-06 11:28 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dmitry,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Excel-pages:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1). "Compression ratio (2)" - shows object size, with
> > > > compression
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > without compression. (Conditions: literal text)
> > > > > > > > > > 1st graph shows compression ratios of using different
> > > > compression
> > > > > > > > > algrithms
> > > > > > > > > > depending on size of compressed field.
> > > > > > > > > > 2nd graph shows evaluation of size of objects depending
> on
> > > > sizes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2). "Compression ratio (1)" - shows object size, with
> > > > compression
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > without compression. (Conditions: badly compressed
> > character
> > > > > > > sequence)
> > > > > > > > > > 1st graph shows compression ratios of using different
> > > > compression
> > > > > > > > > > algrithms depending on size of compressed field.
> > > > > > > > > > 2nd graph shows evaluation of size of objects depending
> on
> > > > sizes
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3) 'put-avg" - shows average time of the "put" operation
> > > > > depending
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > size
> > > > > > > > > > and compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4) 'put-thrpt" - shows throughput of the "put" operation
> > > > > depending
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > size
> > > > > > > > > > and compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 5) 'get-avg" - shows average time of the "get" operation
> > > > > depending
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > size
> > > > > > > > > > and compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 6) 'get-thrpt" - shows throughput of the "get" operation
> > > > > depending
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > size
> > > > > > > > > > and compression algorithms.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2017-06-06 10:59 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org
> > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Vladimir, I am not sure how to interpret the graphs?
> What
> > > are
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > > > looking
> > > > > > > > > > > at?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:33 AM, Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, Igniters.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I've prepared some benchmarking. Results [1].
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > And I've prepared the evaluation in the form of
> > diagrams
> > > > [2].
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that helps to interest the community and
> > > > accelerates a
> > > > > > > > > reaction
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > this improvment :)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/daradurvs/
> ignite-compression/tree/
> > > > > > > > > > > > master/src/main/resources/result
> > > > > > > > > > > > [2] https://drive.google.com/file/d/
> > > > > > > 0B2CeUAOgrHkoMklyZ25YTEdKcEk/
> > > > > > > > > view
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-05-24 9:49 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Guys, any thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2017-05-16 13:40 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Hi guys,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> I've prepared the PR to show my idea.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/1951/files
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> About querying - I've just copied existing tests
> and
> > > > have
> > > > > > > > > annotated
> > > > > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> testing data.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> https://github.com/apache/
> > > ignite/pull/1951/files#diff-
> > > > > > c19a9d
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> f4058141d059bb577e75244764
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> It means fields which will be marked by
> > > > @BinaryCompression
> > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> compressed at marshalling via BinaryMarshaller.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> This solution has no effect on existing data or
> > > project
> > > > > > > > > > architecture.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> I'll be glad to see your thougths.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> 2017-05-15 19:18 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur <
> > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dmitriy,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> I have ready prototype. I want to show it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> It is always easier to discuss on example.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> 2017-05-15 19:02 GMT+03:00 Dmitriy Setrakyan <
> > > > > > > > > > dsetrak...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> I think it is a bit premature to provide a PR
> > > without
> > > > > > > getting
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> community
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> consensus on the dev list. Please allow some
> time
> > > for
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > community
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> respond.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> D.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 6:36 AM, Vyacheslav
> > Daradur
> > > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> daradu...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > I created the ticket:
> > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> /browse/IGNITE-5226
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > I'll prepare a PR with described solution in
> > > couple
> > > > of
> > > > > > > days.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > 2017-05-15 15:05 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav Daradur
> <
> > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Hi, Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Apache 2.0 is released.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Let's continue the discussion about a
> > > compression
> > > > > > > design.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > At the moment, I found only one solution
> which
> > > is
> > > > > > > > compatible
> > > > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > querying
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > and indexing, this is per-objects-field
> > > > compression.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Per-fields compression means that metadata
> (a
> > > > > header)
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > an
> > > > > > > > > > > object
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> won't
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > be compressed, only serialized values of an
> > > object
> > > > > > > fields
> > > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > > > > bytes
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> array
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > form) will be compressed.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > This solution have some contentious issues:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > - small values, like primitives and short
> > > arrays -
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > > > > isn't
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> sense to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > compress them;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > - there is no possible to use compression
> with
> > > > > > > > > java-predefined
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> types;
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > We can provide an annotation,
> > > @IgniteCompression -
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > example,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> which can
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > be used by users for marking fields to
> > compress.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Any thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Maybe someone already have ready design?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > 2017-04-10 11:06 GMT+03:00 Vyacheslav
> Daradur
> > <
> > > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> Alexey,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> Yes, I've read it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> Ok, let's discuss about public API design.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> I think we need to add some a configure
> > entity
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> CacheConfiguration,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> which will contain the Compressor interface
> > > > > > > > implementation
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > usefull
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> parameters.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> Or maybe to provide a BinaryMarshaller
> > > decorator,
> > > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> compress
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> data after marshalling.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> 2017-04-10 10:40 GMT+03:00 Alexey
> Kuznetsov <
> > > > > > > > > > > > akuznet...@apache.org
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> Vyacheslav,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> Did you read initial discussion [1] about
> > > > > > compression?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> As far as I remember we agreed to add only
> > > some
> > > > > > > > > "top-level"
> > > > > > > > > > > API
> > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > order
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> to
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> provide a way for
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> Ignite users to inject some sort of custom
> > > > > > > compression.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> [1]
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> http://apache-ignite-developer
> > > > s.2346864.n4.nabble
> > > > > .
> > > > > > > > > > com/Data-c
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> ompression-in-Ignite-2-0-td10099.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> On Mon, Apr 10, 2017 at 2:19 PM,
> daradurvs <
> > > > > > > > > > > daradu...@gmail.com
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Hi Igniters!
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > I am interested in this task.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Provide some kind of pluggable
> compression
> > > SPI
> > > > > > > support
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > <https://issues.apache.org/
> > > > > > jira/browse/IGNITE-3592>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > I developed a solution on
> > > > > BinaryMarshaller-level,
> > > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > > > > reviewer
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> has
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> rejected
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Let's continue discussion of task goals
> > and
> > > > > > solution
> > > > > > > > > > design.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > As I understood that, the main goal of
> > this
> > > > task
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > store
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> data in
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > compressed form.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > This is what I need from Ignite as its
> > user.
> > > > > > > > Compression
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> provides
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> economy
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > on
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > servers.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > We can store more data on same servers
> at
> > > the
> > > > > cost
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> increasing CPU
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > utilization.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > I'm researching a possibility of
> > > > implementation
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > compression
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> at the
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > cache-level.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Any thoughts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Best regards,
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > View this message in context:
> > > > > > http://apache-ignite-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > developers.2346864.n4.nabble.
> > > > > > > com/Data-compression-in-
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Ignite-2-0-tp10099p16317.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> > Sent from the Apache Ignite Developers
> > > mailing
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > > > archive
> > > > > > > > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> Nabble.com.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>> Alexey Kuznetsov
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >> Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> --
> > > > > > > > > > > > >> Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Best Regards, Anton Churaev
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Best Regards, Anton Churaev
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > Best Regards, Anton Churaev
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Best Regards, Vyacheslav
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Best Regards, Anton Churaev
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Best Regards, Vyacheslav
>
