Alexey, it's not a vote. Yes, it is a discussion, something in a free form. You can suggest anyone from PMC who can serve this role, you can share any of your thoughts.
I'm not aware of why to change Denis. I personally prefer to keep it as is, since Denis Magda has proven he is open-minded and understands Apache Way. But if we talk about rotation, I would like to add my 50 cents - Being a Chair doesn't mean he or she will lead the technical side of the project. This is not about any additional power in the decision making process. - But from the point of view of influence to newcomers, formal role, let's be honest, will help. Let's imagine, you are a speaker at the conference, VP of Apace Ignite sounds like something big. - My concern still is how we are doing on community development. It would be fair to say that the Ignite community hasn't really improved much diversity-wise. - The ideal candidate will constantly remind us about we're the community independent from commercial interests, and find and implement new ways of growing this community. So from point of view of com.dev, evangelism Nikolay Izikov is the best candidate (from proposed). чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:18, Alexey Zinoviev <[email protected]>: > Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? This is not a vote? > > Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't it? > > Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will have more than 1 > candidate? > > Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, and it will be > easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance? > > Thanks > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov <[email protected]>: > > > Hi Igniters, > > > > I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day job current > projects > > not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in replies. > > > > I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm concerned how keeping PMC > > Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF could move the > > community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving more control > outside > > and improving diversity always help to find new ways of developing > > solution. > > > > So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this role. But if > Alexey > > is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated with GridGain, it > > would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure. > > > > Sincerely, > > Dmitriy Pavlov > > > > чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov <[email protected]>: > > > > > > > > +1 Alexey Goncharuk > > > -- > > > Nikita Ivanov > > > > > > > On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Igniters, > > > > > > > > It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the PMC Chair and I’d > > like > > > > the community to give other PMC members an opportunity to serve in > this > > > > role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more frequently and we’re > already > > > > due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, he/she can bring a > > fresh > > > > perspective and help to navigate the community via trails not > > considered > > > > before. > > > > > > > > Please propose candidates selecting among active PMC members: > > > > https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis > > > > > > > > > > > >> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > [email protected] > > > > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a business trip. Will start > a > > > vote > > > >> this week. > > > >> > > > >> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy Setrakyan < > > > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over occupied with travel > and > > > >>> holidays at this moment. > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin Boudnik < > [email protected] > > > > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>>> Ok, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the deep insight, Roman! > > > >>>> > > > >>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while and it is time to > > > [VOTE]. > > > >>>> The > > > >>>> following candidates were put forward during the [DISCUSS] (in the > > > order > > > >>>> of > > > >>>> their appearance on the thread): > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan > > > >>>> Vladimir Ozerov > > > >>>> Konstantin Boudnik > > > >>>> Valentin Kulichenko > > > >>>> Denis Magda > > > >>>> Branko Čibej > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Considering the number of the candidates I propose to use > > > >>>> First-past-the-post > > > >>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner rules, where the > candidate > > > >>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) wins. [1] > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start the formal [VOTE]? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Thanks, > > > >>>> Cos > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > > > >>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy Setrakyan > > > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far look good, I would > > propose > > > >>>> Denis > > > >>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His participation in the project > does > > > >>>> not only > > > >>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with Ignite project overall, > > > >>>> including > > > >>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, design, etc. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, but I wanted to offer a > > > >>>> somewhat > > > >>>>> different perspective that hopefully can help reframe this > > discussion > > > >>>>> a little bit. > > > >>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming from a non-coding (on > > > >>>> Ignite) member > > > >>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC after graduation more > with > > > my > > > >>>> ASF > > > >>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who wanted to directly > > > >> contribute > > > >>>>> to where the technology was going. My concern during your > > incubation > > > >>>> days > > > >>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys doing on the community > > > >>>> development > > > >>>>> front. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement (the fact that more than > > 80% > > > >>>> of project > > > >>>>> members work for the same company) came up during our graduation. > > > >> While > > > >>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still was a very valid > concern. > > > >>>> Monocultures > > > >>>>> are really nasty for open source communities. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite community hasn't > really > > > >>>>> improved much > > > >>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I honestly feel that > this > > > is, > > > >>>>> to a larger > > > >>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. It was well understood > > that > > > >>>> in order > > > >>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it can to demonstrate a > > > >>>>> positive trajectory > > > >>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind of dropped the ball on > > it > > > >>>> since. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what a change in the Chair > > > could > > > >>>>> offer: a renewed > > > >>>>> focus on community growth and development. If you agree with this > > > >>>> premise than > > > >>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act as a forcing function > to > > > >>>> constantly > > > >>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow and develop this > > > community > > > >>>> would > > > >>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all Branko's "tough love" > > was > > > >>>>> probably the > > > >>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in the Incubator). > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't have to be a Chair to > > do > > > >>>>> that. But lets > > > >>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a project's Chair doesn't > > really > > > >>>>> have any special > > > >>>>> powers when it comes to technological consensus, but anything > that > > > has > > > >>>> to do > > > >>>>> with external community the VP title that the chair gets can help > > > >> quite > > > >>>> a bit. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as former mentors) would like > > to > > > >>>>> commit to 6 more > > > >>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship focused on community > > > >> development > > > >>>> -- they > > > >>>>> would have my wholehearted support. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on). > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > - > > > > Denis > > > > > >
