Anyone can vote or only other PMCs?
> On 28 Oct 2019, at 20:58, Denis Magda <dma...@apache.org> wrote: > > Ignites, overall, here is a list of candidates who confirmed their > participation in the vote. The others are either rejected or not responded > publicly/privately. > > - Alexey Goncharuk > - Dmitry Pavlov > - Nikolay Izhikov > - Pavel Tupitsyn > > As proposed in this discussion, let's bring up the PMC rotation topic once > a year to see if the community is willing to give another candidate to take > the role. But the rotation shouldn't be obligatory if a current PMC is > ready to carry on and the community doesn't see a need for the rotation. > > > - > Denis > > > On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 2:22 AM Alexey Goncharuk <alexey.goncha...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks folks, I'm in. >> >> пт, 25 окт. 2019 г. в 23:44, Nikolay Izhikov <nizhi...@apache.org>: >> >>> I'm in. >>> >>> В Чт, 24/10/2019 в 11:48 -0700, Denis Magda пишет: >>>> Igniters, >>>> >>>> Below is a list of proposed candidates. Let's give the candidates time >>>> until Monday to either confirm or reject their candidacy. Those who >>> confirm >>>> will be sent for the vote. If we don't hear back from someone by that >>> time, >>>> then the silence will be treated as a rejection. Keep in mind that even >>>> though everyone is free to cast a vote, the votes of PMC members are >>>> counted for the Chair election: >>>> >>>> - Nikolay Izhikov >>>> - Alexey Goncharuk >>>> - Dmitry Pavlov (confirmed) >>>> - Pavel Tupitsyn >>>> - Roman Shtykh >>>> - Vladimir Ozerov (thinking) >>>> - Yakov Zhdanov >>>> - Andrey Gura >>>> - Anton Vinogradov (rejected) >>>> - Denis Magda (rejected) >>>> >>>> On a side note. >>>> >>>> Vova, it's nice to hear back from you, look forward to your return to >> the >>>> community. I know that you're a man of honor but, please, ensure that a >>>> demarcation zone is set between what you do for the community and for >>> your >>>> current employer. We know that Ignite is competing but not >> complementing >>>> technology to Hazelcast and, as Ignite PMC, need to ensure that the >>> vendor >>>> doesn't exploit your involvement in the project anyhow harmful for >>> Ignite. >>>> Again, no any concerns about you, we trust you, just as advice, discuss >>> and >>>> set the rules with the employer from the get-go. >>>> >>>> Finally, the reason why the Chair rotation was proposed and why I'm >>>> excluding my candidacy from the list. The community is grown-up, we >> have >>>> excellent candidates who can serve the community as the Chair and they >>> need >>>> to be given a chance to drive and influence even bigger changes [1]. As >>> for >>>> me, nothing changes, I'll be contributing to the community growth >>> similarly >>>> if not bigger. >>>> >>>> [1] >>>> >>> >> http://apache-ignite-developers.2346864.n4.nabble.com/Ignite-in-2019-Status-and-Directions-td44147.html >>>> >>>> - >>>> Denis >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 6:18 AM Dmitriy Pavlov <dpav...@apache.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Alexey Zinoviev, Igniters, sorry for topic high-jacking / side reply, >>> but I >>>>> have to stress one thing. >>>>> >>>>> Both Committers and PMC groups are not a sort of clubs, it is just >>> roles. >>>>> One can accept patches, another can reject a patch using veto and >>>>> suggest/vote for new committers. >>>>> >>>>> There is nothing special in being PMC; and, actually, noting happens >>> on a >>>>> private list now. Just a couple of requests related to Apache Con. >>> This is >>>>> sign of a healthy community, when everything is discussed on dev >> list, >>> in >>>>> public. Once private list becomes too active it is a negative thing, >>> it is >>>>> a sign of a disagreement. This is not a case of Ignite nowadays. >>>>> >>>>> Please consider both of these roles in community as recognition of >>> merit >>>>> and sign of trust, but not invitation into closed/private club. >>>>> >>>>> A bit of info related to PMC and VP: >>>>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/governance/pmcs.html#legal >>>>> >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov >>>>> >>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 13:18, Ivan Pavlukhin <vololo...@gmail.com>: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Vova, >>>>>> >>>>>> Glad to hear from you. I hope that we will hear from you soon about >>>>>> Hazelnite (Igncast?) independently whether you become Ignite PMC >>> Chair >>>>>> or not. >>>>>> >>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:49, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vova, >>>>>>> +1 to your candidacy. >>>>>>> Just say yes. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As for me, huge thanks for the proposal but being PMC Member >>> currently >>>>>>> enough for me :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 11:21 AM Dmitriy Pavlov < >>> dpav...@apache.org> >>>>>> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vova, I will vote for your candidacy as well. Your candidacy >>> came for >>>>>> >>>>>> 2nd >>>>>>>> time (I've checked previous thread). >>>>>>>> This is a good sign that we should think about you serving as >>> Chair. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 11:16, Vladimir Ozerov < >> ppoze...@gmail.com >>>> : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> HI Anton, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for adding me to the list. Ignite community is very >>> vibrant, >>>>>> >>>>>> it >>>>>>>>> would be a honor for me to resonate it even further. For >>> example, I >>>>>> >>>>>> was >>>>>>>>> thinking about Ignite - Hazelcast integration (aka >> "Hazelnite") >>>>> >>>>> which >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>> have bring a lot of fresh technical discussions to the list. >>>>>>>>> But as this may affect diversirty of my life, let me think >> more >>>>>> >>>>>> whether I >>>>>>>>> am ready for this role ... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vladimir. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 10:34, Anton Vinogradov <a...@apache.org >>> : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> More candidates: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Alexey Zinoviev. >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change >>> this. >>>>>>>>>> BigData evangelist. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Ivan Rakov. >>>>>>>>>> He is not a PMC member, but it's definitely time to change >>> this. >>>>>>>>>> Distributed systems evangelist and great lead. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Denis Magda. >>>>>>>>>> Keeping this stable is also the option. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Pavel Tupitsyn. >>>>>>>>>> Open-minded, experienced in global communications. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Roman Shtykh. >>>>>>>>>> Rocketmq and Ignite committer. >>>>>>>>>> Highly involved to Ignite development and popularization. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Vladimir Ozerov >>>>>>>>>> Ignite and Hazelcast committer. >>>>>>>>>> Man with really strong leadership skills. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - Yakov Zhdanov >>>>>>>>>> Ignite's Godfather. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 10:18 AM Alexey Zinoviev < >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> zaleslaw....@gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Currently, we discuss only candidates here, isn't it? >> This >>> is >>>>>> >>>>>> not a >>>>>>>>> vote? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Also we should ask candidates about their plans, isn't >> it? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please, Denis, remind the procedure of voting, if we will >>> have >>>>>> >>>>>> more >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>> 1 >>>>>>>>>>> candidate? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ans yet one suggestion: maybe we will rotate every year, >>> and it >>>>>> >>>>>> will >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>>>>> easy for candidates to plan their work-life balance? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г., 8:44 Dmitriy Pavlov < >>> dpav...@apache.org>: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Igniters, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would be happy to serve this role, but since my day >> job >>>>>> >>>>>> current >>>>>>>>>>> projects >>>>>>>>>>>> not related to Ignite, it may cause some delays in >>> replies. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I would give my +1 to both candidates, but I'm >> concerned >>> how >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> keeping >>>>>>>>>> PMC >>>>>>>>>>>> Chair inside the company initially donated code to ASF >>> could >>>>>> >>>>>> move >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>> community to the new trails. I strongly believe giving >>> more >>>>>> >>>>>> control >>>>>>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>>>>>> and improving diversity always help to find new ways of >>>>>> >>>>>> developing >>>>>>>>>>>> solution. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So I, in any case, don't object to Alexey serving this >>> role. >>>>>> >>>>>> But if >>>>>>>>>>> Alexey >>>>>>>>>>>> is more active on the list and if he is not affiliated >>> with >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> GridGain, >>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>> would be ++1 from my side. For now, I'm not so sure. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Pavlov >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> чт, 24 окт. 2019 г. в 03:39, Nikita Ivanov < >>>>>> >>>>>> niva...@gridgain.com>: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> +1 Alexey Goncharuk >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nikita Ivanov >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 21, 2019, at 10:21 PM, Denis Magda < >>>>>> >>>>>> dma...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Igniters, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It’s been almost 3 years since my election as the >> PMC >>>>>> >>>>>> Chair and >>>>>>>>> I’d >>>>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the community to give other PMC members an >>> opportunity to >>>>>> >>>>>> serve >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>> role. It’s healthy to rotate the role more >>> frequently and >>>>>> >>>>>> we’re >>>>>>>>>>> already >>>>>>>>>>>>>> due. Though the chair doesn’t have formal power, >>> he/she >>>>> >>>>> can >>>>>>>>> bring a >>>>>>>>>>>> fresh >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perspective and help to navigate the community via >>> trails >>>>>> >>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>>>>>>>>> before. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please propose candidates selecting among active >> PMC >>>>>> >>>>>> members: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://ignite.apache.org/community/resources.html#people >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, December 5, 2016, Dmitriy Setrakyan < >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't forgotten. Just got back from a >> business >>> trip. >>>>>> >>>>>> Will >>>>>>>>>> start >>>>>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>>>>>>> vote >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this week. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Dmitriy >> Setrakyan >>> < >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> dsetrak...@apache.org> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos, I will start the vote soon. A bit over >>> occupied >>>>> >>>>> with >>>>>>>>> travel >>>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> holidays at this moment. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 12:33 PM, Konstantin >>> Boudnik < >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> c...@apache.org >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ok, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was a great discussion, thanks for the >>> deep >>>>>> >>>>>> insight, >>>>>>>>> Roman! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like this thread has stewed for a while >>> and it >>>>> >>>>> is >>>>>> time >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [VOTE]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> following candidates were put forward during >>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> [DISCUSS] >>>>>>>> (in >>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>> order >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their appearance on the thread): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy Setrakyan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vladimir Ozerov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Konstantin Boudnik >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Valentin Kulichenko >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis Magda >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Branko Čibej >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Considering the number of the candidates I >>> propose to >>>>>> >>>>>> use >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> First-past-the-post >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> voting, with a single-round/single winner >>> rules, where >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> candidate >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collecting the most votes (not the majority) >>> wins. [1] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dmitriy, would you do the honors and start >> the >>> formal >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> [VOTE]? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cos >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Nov 10, 2016 at 08:19PM, Roman >>> Shaposhnik >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2016 at 11:32 AM, Dmitriy >>> Setrakyan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <dsetrak...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While all the candidates suggested so far >>> look >>>>> >>>>> good, I >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>> propose >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Magda as the next PMC chair. His >>> participation in >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>>>>>> project >>>>>>>>>>> does >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not only >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have to do with the code, but also with >>> Ignite >>>>> >>>>> project >>>>>>>>>> overall, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website, documentation, new tickets, >>> design, etc. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to come to this thread rather late, >>> but I >>>>> >>>>> wanted >>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> offer a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somewhat >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different perspective that hopefully can >>> help reframe >>>>>> >>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>> discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a little bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Note, that what I'm about to say is coming >>> from a >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> non-coding >>>>>>>>>> (on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ignite) member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the PMC. In fact, I stayed on the PMC >>> after >>>>>> >>>>>> graduation >>>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ASF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> member hat on, rather than as somebody who >>> wanted to >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> directly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contribute >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to where the technology was going. My >>> concern during >>>>>> >>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> incubation >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was (and still is!) how well are you guys >>> doing on >>>>> >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you recall, the diversity requirement >>> (the fact >>>>> >>>>> that >>>>>>>> more >>>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>>>>> 80% >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of project >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members work for the same company) came up >>> during our >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> graduation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it wasn't a blocking requirement it still >>> was a very >>>>>> >>>>>> valid >>>>>>>>>>> concern. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Monocultures >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are really nasty for open source >> communities. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it would be fair to say that Ignite >>> community >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> hasn't >>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improved much >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diversity-wise since its graduation. And I >>> honestly >>>>>> >>>>>> feel >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> is, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to a larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent, because the focus is now missing. >> It >>> was well >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> understood >>>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in order >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to graduate the community had to do all it >>> can to >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> demonstrate a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive trajectory >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that direction. And we did. But we kind >>> of dropped >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> ball >>>>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> since. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With that in mind, I offer my view on what >> a >>> change >>>>> >>>>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> Chair >>>>>>>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offer: a renewed >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> focus on community growth and development. >>> If you >>>>> >>>>> agree >>>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> premise than >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somebody like Branko or Cos who could act >> as >>> a >>>>> >>>>> forcing >>>>>>>>> function >>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> constantly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remind us about what else can we do to grow >>> and >>>>> >>>>> develop >>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be an ideal choice for the Chair (after all >>> Branko's >>>>>> >>>>>> "tough >>>>>>>>>> love" >>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> probably the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most useful part of Ignite's experience in >>> the >>>>>> >>>>>> Incubator). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, of course, strictly speaking you don't >>> have to >>>>> >>>>> be >>>>>> a >>>>>>>>> Chair >>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that. But lets >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> face it -- that helps. And besides, a >>> project's Chair >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>>>>> really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have any special >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> powers when it comes to technological >>> consensus, but >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>>>>>>> has >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to do >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with external community the VP title that >>> the chair >>>>>> >>>>>> gets >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>>> help >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> quite >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a bit. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Long story short: if Branko or Cos (as >> former >>>>> >>>>> mentors) >>>>>>>> would >>>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> commit to 6 more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months of the same hands-on mentorship >>> focused on >>>>>> >>>>>> community >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- they >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would have my wholehearted support. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Roman (with my PMC member hat on). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Denis >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Best regards, >>>>>> Ivan Pavlukhin >>>>>> >>> >>
