Hi, guys!
I agree that we should rework the security API, but it can take a long time. And currently, our users have certain impediments that are blockers for their job. I think we have to fix bugs that IEP-41 [1] contains as soon as possible to support our users. From my point of view, IEP-41 is the best place to track bug fixing. 1. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/IGNITE/IEP-41%3A+Security+Context+of+thin+client+on+remote+nodes вт, 24 мар. 2020 г. в 12:26, Ivan Rakov <ivan.glu...@gmail.com>: > Alexey, > > That can be another version of our plan. If everyone agrees that > SecurityContext and SecuritySubject should be merged, such fix of thin > clients' issue will bring us closer to the final solution. > Denis, what do you think? > > On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 10:38 AM Alexei Scherbakov < > alexey.scherbak...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Why can't we start gradually changing security API right now ? > > I see no point in delaying with. > > All changes will go to next 2.9 release anyway. > > > > My proposal: > > 1. Get rid of security context. Doing this will bring security API to > more > > or less consistent state. > > 2. Remove IEP-41 because it's no longer needed because of change [1] > > 3. Propose an IEP to make security API avoid using internals. > > > > > > > > пн, 23 мар. 2020 г. в 19:53, Denis Garus <garus....@gmail.com>: > > > > > Hello, Alexei, Ivan! > > > > > > >> Seems like security API is indeed a bit over-engineered > > > > > > Nobody has doubt we should do a reworking of GridSecurityProcessor. > > > But this point is outside of scope thin client's problem that we are > > > solving. > > > I think we can create new IEP that will accumulate all ideas of > Ignite's > > > security improvements. > > > > > > >> Presence of the separate #securityContext(UUID) highlights that user > > > indeed should care > > > >> about propagation of thin clients' contexts between the cluster > nodes. > > > > > > I agree with Ivan. I've implemented both variants, > > > and I like one with #securityContext(UUID) more. > > > > > > Could you please take a look at PR [1] for the issue [2]? > > > > > > 1. https://github.com/apache/ignite/pull/7523 > > > 2. https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-12759 > > > > > > пн, 23 мар. 2020 г. в 11:45, Ivan Rakov <ivan.glu...@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > Alex, Denis, > > > > > > > > Seems like security API is indeed a bit over-engineered. > > > > > > > > Let's get rid of SecurityContext and use SecuritySubject instead. > > > > > SecurityContext is just a POJO wrapper over > > > > > SecuritySubject's > > > > > org.apache.ignite.plugin.security.SecuritySubject#permissions. > > > > > It's functionality can be easily moved to SecuritySubject. > > > > > > > > I totally agree. Both subject and context are implemented by plugin > > > > provider, and I don't see any reason to keep both abstractions, > > > especially > > > > if we are going to get rid of transferring subject in node attributes > > > > (argument that subject is more lightweight won't work anymore). > > > > > > > > Also, there's kind of mess in node authentication logic. There are at > > > least > > > > two components responsible for it: DiscoverySpiNodeAuthenticator > (which > > > is > > > > forcibly set by GridDiscoveryManager, but in fact public) and > > > > GridSecurityProcessor (which performs actual node auth logic, but > > > private). > > > > I also don't understand why we need both > > > > #authenticate(AuthenticationContext) and > #authenticateNode(ClusterNode, > > > > SecurityCredentials) methods while it's possible to set explicit > > > > SecuritySubjectType.REMOTE_NODE in AuthenticationContext (this is > > > arguable; > > > > perhaps there are strong reasons). > > > > > > > > Finally, areas of responsibility between IgniteSecurity and > > > > GridSecurityProcessor are kind of mixed. As far as I understand, the > > > first > > > > is responsible for Ignite-internal management of security logic > > (keeping > > > > thread-local context, caching security contexts, etc; we don't expect > > > > IgniteSecurity to be replaced by plugin provider) and the latter is > > > > responsible for user-custom authentication / authorization logic. To > be > > > > honest, it took plenty of time to figure this out for me. > > > > > > > > From my point of view, we should make GridSecurityProcessor interface > > > > public, rename it (it requires plenty of time to find the difference > > from > > > > IgniteSecurity), make its API as simple and non-duplicating as > possible > > > and > > > > clarify its area of responsibility (e.g. should it be responsible for > > > > propagation of successfully authenticated subject among all nodes or > > > not?) > > > > to make it easy to embed custom security logic in Ignite. > > > > > > > > Regarding thin clients fix: implementation made by Denis suits better > > to > > > > the very implicit contract that it's better to change API contracts > of > > an > > > > internal IgniteSecurity than of internal GridSecurityProcessor (which > > > > actually mustn't be internal). > > > > > > > > > My approach doesn't require any IEPs, just minor change in code and > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.security.IgniteSecurity#authenticate(AuthenticationContext) > > > > > contract. > > > > > > > > Looks like a misuse of #authenticate method to me. It should perform > > > > initial authentication based on credentials (this may include queries > > to > > > > external authentication subsystem, e.g. LDAP). User may want to don't > > > > authenticate thin client on every node (this will increase the number > > of > > > > requests to auth subsystem unless user implicitly implements > > propagation > > > of > > > > thin clients' contexts between nodes and make #authenticate > > cluster-wide > > > > idempotent: first call should perform actual authentication, next > calls > > > > should retrieve context of already authenticated client). Presence of > > the > > > > separate #securityContext(UUID) highlights that user indeed should > care > > > > about propagation of thin clients' contexts between the cluster > nodes. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Ivan > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 12:22 PM Veena Mithare < > > v.mith...@cmcmarkets.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hi Alexei, Denis, > > > > > > > > > > One of the main usecases of thin client authentication is to be > able > > to > > > > > audit the changes done using the thin client user. > > > > > To enable that : > > > > > We really need to resolve this concern as well : > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/IGNITE-12781 > > > > > > > > > > ( Incorrect security subject id is associated with a cache_put > event > > > > > when the originator of the event is a thin client. ) > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Veena > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Alexei Scherbakov <alexey.scherbak...@gmail.com> > > > > > Sent: 18 March 2020 08:11 > > > > > To: dev <dev@ignite.apache.org> > > > > > Subject: Re: Security Subject of thin client on remote nodes > > > > > > > > > > Denis Garus, > > > > > > > > > > Both variants are capable of solving the thin client security > context > > > > > problem. > > > > > > > > > > My approach doesn't require any IEPs, just minor change in code and > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.security.IgniteSecurity#authenticate(AuthenticationContext) > > > > > contract. > > > > > We can add appropriate documentation to emphasize this. > > > > > The argument "fragile" is not very convincing for me. > > > > > > > > > > I think we should collect more opinions before proceeding with IEP. > > > > > > > > > > Considering a fact we actually *may not care* about compatibility > > (I've > > > > > already explained why), I'm thinking of another approach. > > > > > Let's get rid of SecurityContext and use SecuritySubject instead. > > > > > SecurityContext is just a POJO wrapper over SecuritySubject's > > > > > org.apache.ignite.plugin.security.SecuritySubject#permissions. > > > > > It's functionality can be easily moved to SecuritySubject. > > > > > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > пн, 16 мар. 2020 г. в 15:47, Denis Garus <garus....@gmail.com>: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, Alexei! > > > > > > > > > > > > I agree with you if we may not care about compatibility at all, > > then > > > > > > we can solve the problem much more straightforward way. > > > > > > > > > > > > In your case, the method GridSecurityProcessor#authenticate will > > have > > > > > > an implicit contract: > > > > > > [ if actx.subject() != null then > > > > > > returns SecurityContext > > > > > > else > > > > > > do authenticate ] > > > > > > > > > > > > It looks fragile. > > > > > > > > > > > > When we extend the GridSecurityProcessor, there isn't this > problem: > > > > > > we have the explicit contract and can make default implementation > > > that > > > > > > throws an unsupported operation exception to enforcing > > compatibility > > > > > > check. > > > > > > > > > > > > In any case, we need to change GridSecurityProcessor > > implementation. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I think your proposal to try to find a security context in > the > > > > > > node's attributes first is right for backward compatibility when > > > > > > Ignite users don't use thin clients. > > > > > > > > > > > > Summary: > > > > > > I suggest adding a new method to GridSecurityProcessor because it > > has > > > > > > a clear contract and enforces compatibility check natural way. > > > > > > > > > > > > вс, 15 мар. 2020 г. в 17:13, Alexei Scherbakov < > > > > > > alexey.scherbak...@gmail.com > > > > > > >: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Denis Garus, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've looked at the IEP proposed by you and currently I'm > thinking > > > > > > > it's > > > > > > not > > > > > > > immediately required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problem of missing SecurityContexts of thin clients can be > > > > > > > solved > > > > > > much > > > > > > > easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Below is the stub of a fix, it requires correct implementation > of > > > > > > > method > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.security.IgniteSecurityProcessor > > > > > > #authenticatedSubject > > > > > > > by GridSecurityProcessor: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > /** {@inheritDoc} */ > > > > > > > @Override public OperationSecurityContext withContext(UUID > > > > nodeId) > > > > > { > > > > > > > try { > > > > > > > SecurityContext ctx0 = secCtxs.get(nodeId); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if (ctx0 == null) { > > > > > > > ClusterNode node = > > > > > > > Optional.ofNullable(ctx.discovery().node(nodeId)) > > > > > > > .orElseGet(() -> > > > > > > > ctx.discovery().historicalNode(nodeId)); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > // This is a cluster node. > > > > > > > if (node != null) > > > > > > > ctx0 = nodeSecurityContext(marsh, > > > > > > > U.resolveClassLoader(ctx.config()), findNode(nodeId)); > > > > > > > else { > > > > > > > // This is already authenticated thin > client. > > > > > > > SecuritySubject subj = > > > > > > > authenticatedSubject(nodeId); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > assert subj != null : "Subject is null " + > > > > > > > nodeId; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AuthenticationContext actx = new > > > > > > > AuthenticationContext(); > > > > > > > actx.subject(subj); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ctx0 = secPrc.authenticate(actx); > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > secCtxs.putIfAbsent(nodeId, ctx0); > > > > > > > > > > > > > > return withContext(ctx0); > > > > > > > } catch (IgniteCheckedException e) { > > > > > > > throw new IgniteException(e); > > > > > > > } > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The idea is to create a thin client SecurityContext on a node > not > > > > > > > having > > > > > > a > > > > > > > local context using existing SecuritySubject data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Method > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.security.GridSecurityProcessor#a > > > > > > uthenticate > > > > > > > should check for not null SecuritySubject field and just > recreate > > > > > > > SecurityContext using passed info (because it's already > > > > authenticated). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have all necessary information in SecuritySubject returned > by > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > org.apache.ignite.internal.processors.security.IgniteSecurityProcessor > > > > > > #authenticatedSubject > > > > > > > by GridSecurityProcessor method. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because it is internal API, we may not care about > compatibility > > at > > > > > > > all, but nevertheless it is possible to add compatibility check > > in > > > > > > > the method above. 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