If we look at consensus, we have:

   - 3 (+1) to remove it (Maxime, Antonio and me) with favor to move the
   elements inside Test plan as disabled (so backward compat). If we have a PR
   or patch that does that, I'll merge it after testing as much as possible.
   - 1 (-1) or (0) for sebb, do you agree sebb ? what would be your exact
   position ?


@Felix, @Milamber, @Vladimir,@Graham, @Mikhail , any thoughts on this ?



Thanks

On Fri, Nov 10, 2017 at 4:01 PM, Andrey Pokhilko <[email protected]> wrote:

> I don't see any point for Workbench to exist. Simply disabling elements
> in-place makes them temporary stored anywhere in test plan.
>
> Do we have a decision to remote it or not? I don't want to spend
> resources if we don't have consensus.
>
> Andrey Pokhilko
>
> 09.11.2017 13:41, sebb пишет:
> > Why not consider how to make the Workbench more intuitive and useful?
> >
> > On 8 November 2017 at 16:47, Philippe Mouawad
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> As you say, it’s oddity.
> >> A tool should be intuitive, this part is not, we cannot always say,
> rtfm.
> >> You know that lot of people don’t read docs.
> >>
> >> Let’s try and see if it is that complex.
> >>
> >> We shouldn’t say , we cannot touch, JMeter is not legacy, so we touch ,
> >> break then fix .
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, sebb <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 8 November 2017 at 16:18, Philippe Mouawad
> >>> <[email protected] <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>> Hello,
> >>>> I’d say Test Plan.
> >>>> I suggest testcompiler ignores them
> >>> That would involve a lot of testing to ensure nothing broke.
> >>>
> >>> Are you sure it's worth it?
> >>>
> >>> There have been other instances where what seems to be a minor change
> >>> turns out to be far more intrusive than first expected.
> >>> Dropping Workbench seems like such a case to me; it's been part of
> >>> JMeter for so long that there are bound to be lots of places that
> >>> assume it is present.
> >>>
> >>> I agree that the Workbench is a bit of an oddity, but I think removing
> >>> it is going to prove much more of a headache than improving the
> >>> documentation to explain it better.
> >>> And potentially find more uses for it.
> >>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 8, 2017, Artem Fedorov <
> >>> [email protected] <javascript:;>>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If we dropped WorkBench, in which element we can add Non-Test
> Elements
> >>>>> (HTTP Mirror Server, HTTP(S) Test Script Recorder, Property Display)?
> >>>>> Can we add these Non-Test Elements to Test Plan (root) or Test
> Fragment?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_
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> >>>>> Без
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> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 4:41 PM, Philippe Mouawad <
> >>>>> [email protected] <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Great !
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Andrey Pokhilko <[email protected]
> >>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> FYI BlazeMeter will attempt to implement this change and contribute
> >>> it.
> >>>>>>> Andrey Pokhilko
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 04.11.2017 17:06, Andrey Pokhilko пишет:
> >>>>>>>> I'll need to think about it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andrey Pokhilko
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 04.11.2017 17:01, Philippe Mouawad пишет:
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Nov 4, 2017 at 2:52 PM, Andrey Pokhilko <[email protected]
> >>> <javascript:;>
> >>>>> <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> +1 from me, I think it is possible to automatically move
> >>> elements
> >>>>>> from
> >>>>>>>>>> loaded test plans.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Do you have some time to contribute a patch for this if you think
> >>>>> it's
> >>>>>>>>> needed ?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Andrey Pokhilko
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> 04.11.2017 15:18, Maxime Chassagneux пишет:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> I never use it, except for recording script, so +1 for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> 2017-11-04 13:07 GMT+01:00 Philippe Mouawad <
> >>>>>>> [email protected] <javascript:;> <javascript:;>
> >>>>>>>>>>> :
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Workbench element is confusing for beginners who don't
> >>> understand
> >>>>>>>>>>>> clearly its use.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thinking more about it, I don't see today why we should still
> >>>>> keep
> >>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The only advantage of this element is Non Test Elements which
> >>>>> would
> >>>>>>>>>>>> be made available from Test Plan directly.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> When running a test those element would not impact test plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> The only issue is backward compatibility, should we try to
> >>> move
> >>>>>>>>>> elements in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> workbench under test plan or just mention a backward
> >>>>>> incompatibility.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Users would manually move there elements to Test Plan.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Cordialement.
> >>>>>> Philippe Mouawad.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cordialement.
> >>>> Philippe Mouawad.
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> >>>>
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> >>
> >> --
> >> Cordialement.
> >> Philippe Mouawad.
>
>


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Cordialement.
Philippe Mouawad.

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