Ismael,

Thanks. I'm writing up an issue with some new findings since yesterday
right now.

Thanks

Tom

On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> That's because JIRA is in lockdown due to excessive spam. I have added you
> as a contributor in JIRA and you should be able to file a ticket now.
>
> Thanks,
> Ismael
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Tom Crayford <tcrayf...@heroku.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Ok, I don't seem to be able to file a new Jira issue at all. Can somebody
> > check my permissions on Jira? My user is `tcrayford-heroku`
> >
> > Tom Crayford
> > Heroku Kafka
> >
> > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote:
> >
> > > Tom,
> > >
> > > We don't have a CSV metrics reporter in the producer right now. The
> > metrics
> > > will be available in jmx. You can find out the details in
> > > http://kafka.apache.org/documentation.html#new_producer_monitoring
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jun
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Tom Crayford <tcrayf...@heroku.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Yep, I can try those particular commits tomorrow. Before I try a
> > bisect,
> > > > I'm going to replicate with a less intensive to iterate on smaller
> > scale
> > > > perf test.
> > > >
> > > > Jun, inline:
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday, 12 May 2016, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Tom,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for reporting this. A few quick comments.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Did you send the right command for producer-perf? The command
> > limits
> > > > the
> > > > > throughput to 100 msgs/sec. So, not sure how a single producer can
> > get
> > > > 75K
> > > > > msgs/sec.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Ah yep, wrong commands. I'll get the right one tomorrow. Sorry, was
> > > > interpolating variables into a shell script.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Could you collect some stats (e.g. average batch size) in the
> > > producer
> > > > > and see if there is any noticeable difference between 0.9 and 0.10?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That'd just be hooking up the CSV metrics reporter right?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Is the broker-to-broker communication also on SSL? Could you do
> > > > another
> > > > > test with replication factor 1 and see if you still see the
> > > degradation?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Interbroker replication is always SSL in all test runs so far. I can
> > try
> > > > with replication factor 1 tomorrow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Finally, email is probably not the best way to discuss performance
> > > > results.
> > > > > If you have more of them, could you create a jira and attach your
> > > > findings
> > > > > there?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yep. I only wrote the email because JIRA was in lockdown mode and I
> > > > couldn't create new issues.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jun
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Tom Crayford <
> tcrayf...@heroku.com
> > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > We've started running our usual suite of performance tests
> against
> > > > Kafka
> > > > > > 0.10.0.0 RC. These tests orchestrate multiple consumer/producer
> > > > machines
> > > > > to
> > > > > > run a fairly normal mixed workload of producers and consumers
> (each
> > > > > > producer/consumer are just instances of kafka's inbuilt
> > > > consumer/producer
> > > > > > perf tests). We've found about a 33% performance drop in the
> > producer
> > > > if
> > > > > > TLS is used (compared to 0.9.0.1)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We've seen notable producer performance degredations between
> > 0.9.0.1
> > > > and
> > > > > > 0.10.0.0 RC. We're running as of the commit 9404680 right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Our specific test case runs Kafka on 8 EC2 machines, with
> enhanced
> > > > > > networking. Nothing is changed between the instances, and I've
> > > > reproduced
> > > > > > this over 4 different sets of clusters now. We're seeing about a
> > 33%
> > > > > > performance drop between 0.9.0.1 and 0.10.0.0 as of commit
> 9404680.
> > > > > Please
> > > > > > to note that this doesn't match up with
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-3565, because our
> > > > > performance
> > > > > > tests are with compression off, and this seems to be an TLS only
> > > issue.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Under 0.10.0-rc4, we see an 8 node cluster with replication
> factor
> > of
> > > > 3,
> > > > > > and 13 producers max out at around 1 million 100 byte messages a
> > > > second.
> > > > > > Under 0.9.0.1, the same cluster does 1.5 million messages a
> second.
> > > > Both
> > > > > > tests were with TLS on. I've reproduced this on multiple clusters
> > now
> > > > (5
> > > > > or
> > > > > > so of each version) to account for the inherent performance
> > variance
> > > of
> > > > > > EC2. There's no notable performance difference without TLS on
> these
> > > > runs
> > > > > -
> > > > > > it appears to be an TLS regression entirely.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > A single producer with TLS under 0.10 does about 75k messages/s.
> > > Under
> > > > > > 0.9.0.01 it does around 120k messages/s.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The exact producer-perf line we're using is this:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > bin/kafka-producer-perf-test --topic "bench" --num-records
> > > "500000000"
> > > > > > --record-size "100" --throughput "100" --producer-props acks="-1"
> > > > > > bootstrap.servers=REDACTED ssl.keystore.location=client.jks
> > > > > > ssl.keystore.password=REDACTED ssl.truststore.location=server.jks
> > > > > > ssl.truststore.password=REDACTED
> > > > > > ssl.enabled.protocols=TLSv1.2,TLSv1.1,TLSv1 security.protocol=SSL
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We're using the same setup, machine type etc for each test run.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We've tried using both 0.9.0.1 producers and 0.10.0.0 producers
> and
> > > the
> > > > > TLS
> > > > > > performance impact was there for both.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've glanced over the code between 0.9.0.1 and 0.10.0.0 and
> haven't
> > > > seen
> > > > > > anything that seemed to have this kind of impact - indeed the TLS
> > > code
> > > > > > doesn't seem to have changed much between 0.9.0.1 and 0.10.0.0.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any thoughts? Should I file an issue and see about reproducing a
> > more
> > > > > > minimal test case?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't think this is related to
> > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-3565 - that is for
> > > > > compression
> > > > > > on and plaintext, and this is for TLS only.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

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