Thanks Tom. I just wanted to share that I have been unable to reproduce this so far. Please feel free to share whatever you information you have so far when you have a chance, don't feel that you need to have all the answers.
Ismael On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 7:32 PM, Tom Crayford <tcrayf...@heroku.com> wrote: > I've been investigating this pretty hard since I first noticed it. Right > now I have more avenues for investigation than I can shake a stick at, and > am also dealing with several other things in flight/on fire. I'll respond > when I have more information and can confirm things. > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Becket Qin <becket....@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Tom, > > > > Maybe it is mentioned and I missed. I am wondering if you see performance > > degradation on the consumer side when TLS is used? This could help us > > understand whether the issue is only producer related or TLS in general. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Jiangjie (Becket) Qin > > > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 6:19 AM, Tom Crayford <tcrayf...@heroku.com> > > wrote: > > > > > Ismael, > > > > > > Thanks. I'm writing up an issue with some new findings since yesterday > > > right now. > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 1:06 PM, Ismael Juma <ism...@juma.me.uk> > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > > > That's because JIRA is in lockdown due to excessive spam. I have > added > > > you > > > > as a contributor in JIRA and you should be able to file a ticket now. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Ismael > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:17 PM, Tom Crayford <tcrayf...@heroku.com > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ok, I don't seem to be able to file a new Jira issue at all. Can > > > somebody > > > > > check my permissions on Jira? My user is `tcrayford-heroku` > > > > > > > > > > Tom Crayford > > > > > Heroku Kafka > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, May 13, 2016 at 12:24 AM, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > > > > > We don't have a CSV metrics reporter in the producer right now. > The > > > > > metrics > > > > > > will be available in jmx. You can find out the details in > > > > > > > http://kafka.apache.org/documentation.html#new_producer_monitoring > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Tom Crayford < > > tcrayf...@heroku.com> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, I can try those particular commits tomorrow. Before I try > a > > > > > bisect, > > > > > > > I'm going to replicate with a less intensive to iterate on > > smaller > > > > > scale > > > > > > > perf test. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun, inline: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, 12 May 2016, Jun Rao <j...@confluent.io> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tom, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for reporting this. A few quick comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. Did you send the right command for producer-perf? The > > command > > > > > limits > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > throughput to 100 msgs/sec. So, not sure how a single > producer > > > can > > > > > get > > > > > > > 75K > > > > > > > > msgs/sec. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ah yep, wrong commands. I'll get the right one tomorrow. Sorry, > > was > > > > > > > interpolating variables into a shell script. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Could you collect some stats (e.g. average batch size) in > > the > > > > > > producer > > > > > > > > and see if there is any noticeable difference between 0.9 and > > > 0.10? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That'd just be hooking up the CSV metrics reporter right? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. Is the broker-to-broker communication also on SSL? Could > you > > > do > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > test with replication factor 1 and see if you still see the > > > > > > degradation? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interbroker replication is always SSL in all test runs so far. > I > > > can > > > > > try > > > > > > > with replication factor 1 tomorrow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, email is probably not the best way to discuss > > > performance > > > > > > > results. > > > > > > > > If you have more of them, could you create a jira and attach > > your > > > > > > > findings > > > > > > > > there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep. I only wrote the email because JIRA was in lockdown mode > > and I > > > > > > > couldn't create new issues. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 1:26 PM, Tom Crayford < > > > > tcrayf...@heroku.com > > > > > > > > <javascript:;>> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've started running our usual suite of performance tests > > > > against > > > > > > > Kafka > > > > > > > > > 0.10.0.0 RC. These tests orchestrate multiple > > consumer/producer > > > > > > > machines > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > run a fairly normal mixed workload of producers and > consumers > > > > (each > > > > > > > > > producer/consumer are just instances of kafka's inbuilt > > > > > > > consumer/producer > > > > > > > > > perf tests). We've found about a 33% performance drop in > the > > > > > producer > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > TLS is used (compared to 0.9.0.1) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've seen notable producer performance degredations > between > > > > > 0.9.0.1 > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 0.10.0.0 RC. We're running as of the commit 9404680 right > > now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our specific test case runs Kafka on 8 EC2 machines, with > > > > enhanced > > > > > > > > > networking. Nothing is changed between the instances, and > > I've > > > > > > > reproduced > > > > > > > > > this over 4 different sets of clusters now. We're seeing > > about > > > a > > > > > 33% > > > > > > > > > performance drop between 0.9.0.1 and 0.10.0.0 as of commit > > > > 9404680. > > > > > > > > Please > > > > > > > > > to note that this doesn't match up with > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-3565, because > > our > > > > > > > > performance > > > > > > > > > tests are with compression off, and this seems to be an TLS > > > only > > > > > > issue. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Under 0.10.0-rc4, we see an 8 node cluster with replication > > > > factor > > > > > of > > > > > > > 3, > > > > > > > > > and 13 producers max out at around 1 million 100 byte > > messages > > > a > > > > > > > second. > > > > > > > > > Under 0.9.0.1, the same cluster does 1.5 million messages a > > > > second. > > > > > > > Both > > > > > > > > > tests were with TLS on. I've reproduced this on multiple > > > clusters > > > > > now > > > > > > > (5 > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > so of each version) to account for the inherent performance > > > > > variance > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > EC2. There's no notable performance difference without TLS > on > > > > these > > > > > > > runs > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > it appears to be an TLS regression entirely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A single producer with TLS under 0.10 does about 75k > > > messages/s. > > > > > > Under > > > > > > > > > 0.9.0.01 it does around 120k messages/s. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The exact producer-perf line we're using is this: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bin/kafka-producer-perf-test --topic "bench" --num-records > > > > > > "500000000" > > > > > > > > > --record-size "100" --throughput "100" --producer-props > > > acks="-1" > > > > > > > > > bootstrap.servers=REDACTED ssl.keystore.location=client.jks > > > > > > > > > ssl.keystore.password=REDACTED > > > ssl.truststore.location=server.jks > > > > > > > > > ssl.truststore.password=REDACTED > > > > > > > > > ssl.enabled.protocols=TLSv1.2,TLSv1.1,TLSv1 > > > security.protocol=SSL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We're using the same setup, machine type etc for each test > > run. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We've tried using both 0.9.0.1 producers and 0.10.0.0 > > producers > > > > and > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > TLS > > > > > > > > > performance impact was there for both. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've glanced over the code between 0.9.0.1 and 0.10.0.0 and > > > > haven't > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > anything that seemed to have this kind of impact - indeed > the > > > TLS > > > > > > code > > > > > > > > > doesn't seem to have changed much between 0.9.0.1 and > > 0.10.0.0. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any thoughts? Should I file an issue and see about > > reproducing > > > a > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > minimal test case? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think this is related to > > > > > > > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-3565 - that is > > for > > > > > > > > compression > > > > > > > > > on and plaintext, and this is for TLS only. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
