Thanks for explanation. I told you - I've never used anything above JDK8...
And I know this Jigsaw thing brings more trouble than benefits... Anyone of you using JDK9+ modules at all? Or only making workarounds for them? :) regards Grzegorz pon., 27 sty 2020 o 09:23 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a): > I agree. We should be OSGi focus for this part as it's a core value of > Karaf runtime: flexibility and smooth dep update. > > Regards > JB > > On 27/01/2020 09:20, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > > Hi @Grzegorz, > > > > Well, JDK dropped JAXB and endorsing so it must be a bundle now, putting > it > > in the classpath is a workaround but not the other way around regarding > JRE > > rules now. > > Now one of the liked features of OSGi is to be dynamic and updatable and > > using the JRE breaks that by design and you don't have the OSGi > integration > > (bundle activator quite often) since it comes with the JRE so has the > > lifecycle of the JRE. > > This is why for me, if the boot classpath is more than OSGi container > and a > > small config reader utility (caricaturally karaf main), it is a design > > pitfall. > > > > I'm also thinking to vendors doing custom karaf distros and on this side > > they must be able to be secured and use the same distro on multiple JRE > and > > this is one issue which shouldn't require properties customizations IMHO. > > > > Hope it makes sense. > > > > Romain Manni-Bucau > > @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog > > <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog > > <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github < > https://github.com/rmannibucau> | > > LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book > > < > https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance > > > > > > > > Le lun. 27 janv. 2020 à 09:01, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a > > écrit : > > > >> Hello > >> > >> I didn't work much with JDK9 (though JDK15 builds are already > >> available[1]...). But maybe (if it's the only problem) `osgi.contract` > can > >> be added to system bundle via `jre.properties`? > >> > >> I mean - we're ~10 years after Xerces hell already and I hope JAXB and > >> other "endorsed standards" can be handled at lowest possible level... I > >> admire what spec bundles do, but it still (IMO) look like a workaround > of > >> some fundamental problem related to adjusting JDK itself to OSGi... > >> > >> regards > >> Grzegorz Grzybek > >> === > >> [1]: https://jdk.java.net/15/ > >> > >> pon., 27 sty 2020 o 08:38 Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > >> napisał(a): > >> > >>> It makes sense to me. > >>> > >>> Let me create Jira and work on an improvement about that. > >>> > >>> Thanks for the proposal ! > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> JB > >>> > >>> On 27/01/2020 08:17, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > >>>> Yep, also means karaf.main must not depend on these ones but > >> technically > >>> it > >>>> sounds very feasible and saner in terms of architecture (launcher > >>>> responsability vs container like one). > >>>> > >>>> Le lun. 27 janv. 2020 à 08:14, Jean-Baptiste Onofré <j...@nanthrax.net> > >> a > >>>> écrit : > >>>> > >>>>> Hi Romain, > >>>>> > >>>>> So, basically, your proposal is to remove jdk9plus and "force" use of > >>>>> spec bundles, right ? > >>>>> > >>>>> It makes sense to me, but it means that any spec has to be a bundle > >> and > >>>>> started in early stage of the boot process. > >>>>> If it's possible, it makes sense. > >>>>> > >>>>> Regards > >>>>> JB > >>>>> > >>>>> On 27/01/2020 08:11, Romain Manni-Bucau wrote: > >>>>>> Hi all, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Playing with the r7 branch i tried to build an osgi-cdi distro but > >>>>> stumbled > >>>>>> upon the fact jdk9plus folder breaks resolution chain quite easily > >> when > >>>>>> switching of jdk. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Long story short, having annotation, activation (and potentially > jaxb > >>>>> but i > >>>>>> didnt need this one ;)) does not enable to have them as bundle in > the > >>>>> same > >>>>>> version - so to do dynamic updates too ;) - and they miss > >> osgi.contract > >>>>>> entry config. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I wonder if there is any rational to have them at all, sounds like > >>> karaf > >>>>>> can boot without them and just move to bundles all the logic > >>> potentially > >>>>>> needing them so no need to patch the classpath for java >= 9 IMHO. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Did I miss anything? > >>>>>> Is it something to plan to clean up for karaf 4.3.0? > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >>>>> jbono...@apache.org > >>>>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > >>>>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > >>>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Jean-Baptiste Onofré > >>> jbono...@apache.org > >>> http://blog.nanthrax.net > >>> Talend - http://www.talend.com > >>> > >> > > > > -- > Jean-Baptiste Onofré > jbono...@apache.org > http://blog.nanthrax.net > Talend - http://www.talend.com >
