That’s a great feedback !

Today, we are "challenged" by other approach. I still believe that we have a 
great asset in the runtime ecosystem.

My thinking now is more to still use OSGi internally (and let people do OSGi on 
Karaf if they want) but open the scope to other framework/approach (spring 
boot, micro profile, etc). We would embrace a wider community and expend our 
use cases.
With François, I think we already identified some improvements patch 
(lighter/immutable runtime, tooling, …), but I would love to have feedback from 
the community to drive the roadmap.

Thanks Greg ! You made my day ;)
Regards
JB

> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 07:43, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a écrit :
> 
> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 07:41 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a):
> 
>> What do you mean by "impossible" ? Removing OSGi from the picture, or
>> thinking about Karaf future ? ;)
>> 
> 
> I meant I see OSGi everywhere and that's all I do for last 6+ years, so
> it's hard for me to NOT think about OSGi ;)
> If I was asked to help shaping Karaf 5, I'd still think OSGi-first...
> 
> regards
> Grzegorz Grzybek
> 
> 
>> 
>> Regards
>> JB
>> 
>>> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 06:27, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a écrit
>> :
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> don’t think OSGi focus
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> For now it's impossible for me ;) Looks like I need some OSGi-REST... ;)
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> Grzegorz
>>> 
>>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 06:16 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net>
>> napisał(a):
>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> 
>>>> Not yet, I’m working locally on changing the structure.
>>>> 
>>>> And I don’t want to be influenced or influence for now ;)
>>>> 
>>>> So, I would love your overall thinking in term of approach, features,
>>>> vision, and again generally speaking (don’t think OSGi focus, or one
>>>> particular use case, more global).
>>>> 
>>>> Regards
>>>> JB
>>>> 
>>>>> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 06:09, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a
>> écrit
>>>> :
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello
>>>>> 
>>>>> Great news! Is this branch already available in Karaf's git repo?
>>>>> 
>>>>> regards and stay safe!
>>>>> Grzegorz Grzybek
>>>>> 
>>>>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 05:59 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net>
>>>> napisał(a):
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> François and I started to think about Karaf 5 and give an even modern
>>>>>> flavor to Karaf, including potentially lot of refactoring and changes.
>>>> We
>>>>>> think it’s a must have in our patch to the "main modulith runtime".
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Before sharing all details (some have been shared during my talk at
>>>>>> ApacheCon), we want to move forward on a PoC branch.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> However, we would love to have your inputs and thoughts (think wide
>> ;)).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, please, if you have ideas, comments, criticism ;), send me an
>> email
>>>>>> and I will reply and eventually include your points in the PoC.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks !
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> JB
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> 
>> 

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