Agree and we have to focus on building the distribution and testing easily.
regards, François fpa...@apache.org Le 04/11/2020 à 10:21, Jean-Baptiste Onofre a écrit : > Changing the "perspective/cursor" with Karaf as "runtime backbone", where > OSGi is a kind of runtime, at same level as spring-boot, micro profile, > whatever, is actually very interesting. > > It could gives "perspective" to the project: > - Karaf OSGi runtime > - Karaf runtime manager > > I like the idea ;) > > Regards > JB > >> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 09:39, Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com> a écrit : >> >> This is a very interesting approach and I wouldn't keep OSGi a backbone but >> one of the supported runtime (as spring-boot, microprofile or even >> javaee...oops jakartaee, why not?). >> So overall OSGi flavor would be a karaf 4 in a karaf 5 to illustrate the >> idea. >> Being able to aggregate runtimes in a single JVM has a great value but it >> must not come with all the build requirements (and prerequirements to tests >> for instance) so something lighter than OSGi, probably closer to >> tomcat/servlet classloading default model (parent with the "container", >> children with the apps) makes a lot of sense. >> I wouldn't call it karaf 5 (please dont do AMQ5-AMQ6 error), but as karaf >> is the industrialization of an OSGi runtime it makes sense to have an >> industrialization of a generic runtime, it is the next step IMO and I >> already envision the "merge" of a docker-compose/k8s recipe with 10 >> uservices in a single JVM, financial department will love it and dev will >> keep doing what they want, everybody will be happy ;). >> >> Romain Manni-Bucau >> @rmannibucau <https://twitter.com/rmannibucau> | Blog >> <https://rmannibucau.metawerx.net/> | Old Blog >> <http://rmannibucau.wordpress.com> | Github <https://github.com/rmannibucau> >> | >> LinkedIn <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rmannibucau> | Book >> <https://www.packtpub.com/application-development/java-ee-8-high-performance> >> >> >> Le mer. 4 nov. 2020 à 08:52, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a >> écrit : >> >>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 08:35 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> napisał(a): >>> >>>> That’s a great feedback ! >>>> >>>> Today, we are "challenged" by other approach. I still believe that we >>> have >>>> a great asset in the runtime ecosystem. >>>> >>>> My thinking now is more to still use OSGi internally (and let people do >>>> OSGi on Karaf if they want) but open the scope to other >>> framework/approach >>>> (spring boot, micro profile, etc). We would embrace a wider community and >>>> expend our use cases. >>>> With François, I think we already identified some improvements patch >>>> (lighter/immutable runtime, tooling, …), but I would love to have >>> feedback >>>> from the community to drive the roadmap. >>>> >>>> Thanks Greg ! You made my day ;) >>>> >>> :) >>> I'll definitely think outside of OSGi box after I finish my current >>> assignment (work). >>> >>> regards >>> Grzegorz >>> >>> >>>> Regards >>>> JB >>>> >>>>> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 07:43, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a >>> écrit >>>> : >>>>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 07:41 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> >>>> napisał(a): >>>>>> What do you mean by "impossible" ? Removing OSGi from the picture, or >>>>>> thinking about Karaf future ? ;) >>>>>> >>>>> I meant I see OSGi everywhere and that's all I do for last 6+ years, so >>>>> it's hard for me to NOT think about OSGi ;) >>>>> If I was asked to help shaping Karaf 5, I'd still think OSGi-first... >>>>> >>>>> regards >>>>> Grzegorz Grzybek >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> JB >>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 06:27, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a >>>> écrit >>>>>> : >>>>>>>> don’t think OSGi focus >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> For now it's impossible for me ;) Looks like I need some OSGi-REST... >>>> ;) >>>>>>> regards >>>>>>> Grzegorz >>>>>>> >>>>>>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 06:16 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> >>>>>> napisał(a): >>>>>>>> Hi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not yet, I’m working locally on changing the structure. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And I don’t want to be influenced or influence for now ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, I would love your overall thinking in term of approach, >>> features, >>>>>>>> vision, and again generally speaking (don’t think OSGi focus, or one >>>>>>>> particular use case, more global). >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Le 4 nov. 2020 à 06:09, Grzegorz Grzybek <gr.grzy...@gmail.com> a >>>>>> écrit >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> Hello >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Great news! Is this branch already available in Karaf's git repo? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> regards and stay safe! >>>>>>>>> Grzegorz Grzybek >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> śr., 4 lis 2020 o 05:59 Jean-Baptiste Onofre <j...@nanthrax.net> >>>>>>>> napisał(a): >>>>>>>>>> Hi guys, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> François and I started to think about Karaf 5 and give an even >>>> modern >>>>>>>>>> flavor to Karaf, including potentially lot of refactoring and >>>> changes. >>>>>>>> We >>>>>>>>>> think it’s a must have in our patch to the "main modulith >>> runtime". >>>>>>>>>> Before sharing all details (some have been shared during my talk >>> at >>>>>>>>>> ApacheCon), we want to move forward on a PoC branch. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> However, we would love to have your inputs and thoughts (think >>> wide >>>>>> ;)). >>>>>>>>>> So, please, if you have ideas, comments, criticism ;), send me an >>>>>> email >>>>>>>>>> and I will reply and eventually include your points in the PoC. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks ! >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> JB >>>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>
