I don’t see that as problem at all, excellent solution! We could put the older releases on the kiegroup repos/org.
Toni or Kobayashi-san are one of you able to get those uploaded to github? -- Jason Porter Software Engineer He/Him/His IBM From: Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2025 at 11:14 To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Web site maintenance Not sure if I understand the problem correctly, but we could we push the items as they are into a GitHub repository and serve the legacy pages from there? Basically the same thing as hosting them at Red Hat, but without a risk of a rug pull. Or if the docs were packaged and published to a maven repository, link to those. Toni On 22/10/2025 19.38, Jason Porter wrote: > Yes, that would be acceptable. Maybe put everything under a “Non-Apache > Software Foundation Previous Releases and Documentation” or “Previous > Releases and Documentation Prior to ASF Migration” section. Both of those are > a lot of words. Maybe there’s a better way to say that. > > > * https://groovy.apache.org/download.html - Though I don’t like how > they have small wording saying it is not ASF > * Netbeans doesn’t have anything > * https://www.openoffice.org/download/archive.html - OpenOffice calls > them “Archived Versions” – maybe we could do the same? > * CouchDB doesn’t have any of their pre-ASF releases > * Doesn’t look like Derby does either > * Neither does subversion > > It doesn’t look like there is a consensus among different projects as to how > they handle this situation. > > Given what Alex stated about the JBoss Infra, I don’t know if we have a good > answer to this ☹ > > -- > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > > From: Toshiya Kobayashi <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, October 21, 2025 at 19:48 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Web site maintenance > Hi all, > > I checked that on the incubator ML. > > https://lists.apache.org/thread/gbwc1yypc03wb0hw1mf5fxwhh8ypzyrj > >> Only releases made under the Apache Incubator can be hosted on ASF >> infrastructure like kie.apache.org. >> >> Older (pre-Apache) releases such as 7.x or 8.x cannot be mirrored or served >> there, but you may link to them from your download page if it’s made very >> clear they’re non-ASF releases (e.g., add a note like “These are pre-Apache >> releases and not ASF-approved.”). > So, we cannot move old docs/binaries to kie.apache.org. > > Currently the kie.apache.org website has pages with links to the older > versions. > > https://kie.apache.org/docs/components/drools/drools_old_documentation > https://kie.apache.org/docs/components/drools/drools_old_downloads > > I think that's the right direction. The wording should be improved by > clarifying they are non-ASF releases. > > Would that be acceptable? > > Regards, > Toshiya > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2025 at 3:24 PM Toshiya Kobayashi > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi, our mentors >> >> Is it okay to move the old downloads (released before our ASF move) to >> kie.apache.org so that users can download them? >> >> Regards, >> Toshiya >> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 2:15 AM Jason Porter <[email protected]> wrote: >>> For 10 and forward yes. For older downloads, which are not part of the ASF, >>> we need to figure out what to do with them. >>> >>> -- >>> Jason Porter >>> Software Engineer >>> He/Him/His >>> >>> IBM >>> >>> >>> From: Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2025 at 19:18 >>> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Web site maintenance >>> Thank you, Toshiya! >>> >>> In regards the downloads, I'd argue that it would be better to move to >>> Apache. As it's the new `owner` of the brands. >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 9:05 PM Toshiya Kobayashi >>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I have filed a GH issue for the old docs migration. I'll work on this. >>>> >>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/2138 >>>> >>>> Btw, regarding old version downloads, they are still available in >>>> >>>> https://download.jboss.org/drools/release/ >>>> https://download.jboss.org/optaplanner/release/ >>>> https://download.jboss.org/jbpm/release/ >>>> >>>> (Note: they are not drools.org etc.) >>>> >>>> Do we also want to move them to kie.apache.org ? >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Toshiya >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 11:36 PM Kennedy Bowers <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> Sounds like a good idea, +1 >>>>> >>>>> On 2025/10/07 05:07:45 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: >>>>>>> Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting >>>>>>> older versions? >>>>>> Yes, we can. >>>>>> >>>>>> If there are no objections or concerns raised within the next few >>>>>> days, I’ll create a GitHub issue for this task. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Toshiya >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 9:13 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Toshyia, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you for the redirection, although I hear you about older version >>>>>>> docs... and I agree. My concern is that those domains should belong to >>>>>>> ASF, and pointing it to an external infrastructure is quite worrisome. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting >>>>>>> older versions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 12:54 AM Toshiya Kobayashi >>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm happy to inform that now drools.org, optaplanner.org and jbpm.org >>>>>>>> are redirected to https://kie.apache.org/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Note that docs subdomain (docs.drools.org, docs.optaplanner.org and >>>>>>>> docs.jbpm.org) stay the same to provide old version documents. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> Toshiya >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2025 at 4:16 PM Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> We need to do the same for optaplanner.org and jbpm.org. Apache >>>>>>>>> requires us to have everything under kie.apache.org. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Both of the websites have already been moved. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Toni >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 2025/07/04 01:40:16 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> We have migrated the contents to kie.apache.org. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm going to ask the administrator of drools.org web server (Red >>>>>>>>>> Hat) to >>>>>>>>>> redirect from https://www.drools.org to >>>>>>>>>> https://kie.apache.org/ . >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think this is not something like "proposal" or "vote", so I'm >>>>>>>>>> notifying >>>>>>>>>> it here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If there are no objections for a few days, I'll proceed. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Toshiya >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:09 PM Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Current status. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Everything moved or there is an existing PR pending for a move. >>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The blog will stay where it is. The kie.apache.org can just have the >>>>>>>>>>> product release and other project announcements. Everyone can blog >>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>> they want and we can even link to those blogs from our Apache site. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> kie.org is pretty much just links to blogs, so nothing to move >>>>>>>>>>> there that >>>>>>>>>>> is not already in kie.apache.org. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> There is a separate ticket for documentation. This only moves what >>>>>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>>> worth the move from websites to the new location. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Toni >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 2025/04/28 07:44:50 Toni Rikkola wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you Toshiya. I will move Optaplanner. >>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1936 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Toni >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 6:50 AM Toshiya Kobayashi < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for the initiative, Toni. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> We have a parent GH issue: "Migrate KIE Websites to Apache >>>>>>>>>>> Infrastructure" >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I added a sub-issue : "Migrate drools.org to kie-website" : >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1934 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Toshiya >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 3:23 PM Toni Rikkola >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can start the work for drools and Toshiya offered help. I can >>>>>>>>>>>>>> also >>>>>>>>>>> take >>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Optaplanner. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That leaves jbpm. I know dmn had a site setup, but not sure if we >>>>>>>>>>>>> need/want >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a separate section for it in the future? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Toni >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:56 AM Craig Russell >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peanut here. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What Toni sez. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now, an internet search for "drools" returns links to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> obsolete >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drools.org <http://drools.org/ > web site, which makes it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem like >>>>>>>>>>>>>> drools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is dead. The downloads on the site are years old. Wrong message. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd suggest to copy any current data still on drools.org < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://drools.org/ > to a section on kie.apache.org < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://kie.apache.org/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In "no time at all" search engines will notice that drools is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> now >>>>>>>>>>> homed >>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Until the domain expires, now redirect drools.org < >>>>>>>>>>> http://drools.org/ > >>>>>>>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kie.apache.org <http://kie.apache.org/ > . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless this is done, the project is missing out on a lot of >>>>>>>>>>> possible >>>>>>>>>>>>>> users. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Same for other domains that are now kie projects. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> HTH, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Craig >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Apr 24, 2025, at 03:57, Toni Rikkola >>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Right now we have drools.org and kie.apache.org and I guess the >>>>>>>>>>> same >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> goes >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for every other subproject. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Old sites >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * They break the copyrights that Apache now has for KIE. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * They get a lot of hits and the site contents are 1.5 years >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Basically >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they say the project is dead, use something else. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * No updates. No mentions of the Apache releases >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * Can go down at any moment since this community does not fund >>>>>>>>>>> them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> New site >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * No content >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> * No, or minimal, resources to maintain them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking at the fact that it has been years. It is clear we have >>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motivation or man power to maintain these. So the question is >>>>>>>>>>> what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> shortest path to victory? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My suggestion is we use the domains and forward to >>>>>>>>>>> kie.apache.org as >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as possible. Right now the old domains are sending the wrong >>>>>>>>>>> signal. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am sure we have a lot of ideas, but also consider where we >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> resources to implement. 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