Hi, our mentors Is it okay to move the old downloads (released before our ASF move) to kie.apache.org so that users can download them?
Regards, Toshiya On Fri, Oct 10, 2025 at 2:15 AM Jason Porter <[email protected]> wrote: > > For 10 and forward yes. For older downloads, which are not part of the ASF, > we need to figure out what to do with them. > > -- > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > > From: Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2025 at 19:18 > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [DISCUSSION] Web site maintenance > Thank you, Toshiya! > > In regards the downloads, I'd argue that it would be better to move to > Apache. As it's the new `owner` of the brands. > > On Wed, Oct 8, 2025 at 9:05 PM Toshiya Kobayashi > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I have filed a GH issue for the old docs migration. I'll work on this. > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/2138 > > > > Btw, regarding old version downloads, they are still available in > > > > https://download.jboss.org/drools/release/ > > https://download.jboss.org/optaplanner/release/ > > https://download.jboss.org/jbpm/release/ > > > > (Note: they are not drools.org etc.) > > > > Do we also want to move them to kie.apache.org ? > > > > Regards, > > Toshiya > > > > On Tue, Oct 7, 2025 at 11:36 PM Kennedy Bowers <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Sounds like a good idea, +1 > > > > > > On 2025/10/07 05:07:45 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: > > > > > Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting > > > > > older versions? > > > > > > > > Yes, we can. > > > > > > > > If there are no objections or concerns raised within the next few > > > > days, I’ll create a GitHub issue for this task. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 9:13 PM Alex Porcelli <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hi Toshyia, > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the redirection, although I hear you about older version > > > > > docs... and I agree. My concern is that those domains should belong to > > > > > ASF, and pointing it to an external infrastructure is quite worrisome. > > > > > > > > > > Maybe we could move that content under ASF and have docs supporting > > > > > older versions? > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Oct 6, 2025 at 12:54 AM Toshiya Kobayashi > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm happy to inform that now drools.org, optaplanner.org and > > > > > > jbpm.org > > > > > > are redirected to https://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Note that docs subdomain (docs.drools.org, docs.optaplanner.org and > > > > > > docs.jbpm.org) stay the same to provide old version documents. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 4, 2025 at 4:16 PM Toni Rikkola <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We need to do the same for optaplanner.org and jbpm.org. Apache > > > > > > > requires us to have everything under kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of the websites have already been moved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2025/07/04 01:40:16 Toshiya Kobayashi wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have migrated the contents to kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm going to ask the administrator of drools.org web server > > > > > > > > (Red Hat) to > > > > > > > > redirect from https://www.drools.org to > > > > > > > > https://kie.apache.org/ . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think this is not something like "proposal" or "vote", so I'm > > > > > > > > notifying > > > > > > > > it here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If there are no objections for a few days, I'll proceed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, May 5, 2025 at 6:09 PM Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Current status. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Everything moved or there is an existing PR pending for a > > > > > > > > > move. > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The blog will stay where it is. The kie.apache.org can just > > > > > > > > > have the > > > > > > > > > product release and other project announcements. Everyone can > > > > > > > > > blog where > > > > > > > > > they want and we can even link to those blogs from our Apache > > > > > > > > > site. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kie.org is pretty much just links to blogs, so nothing to > > > > > > > > > move there that > > > > > > > > > is not already in kie.apache.org. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a separate ticket for documentation. This only moves > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > worth the move from websites to the new location. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 2025/04/28 07:44:50 Toni Rikkola wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Toshiya. I will move Optaplanner. > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1936 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 6:50 AM Toshiya Kobayashi < > > > > > > > > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the initiative, Toni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We have a parent GH issue: "Migrate KIE Websites to Apache > > > > > > > > > Infrastructure" > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1713 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I added a sub-issue : "Migrate drools.org to kie-website" > > > > > > > > > > > : > > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/apache/incubator-kie-issues/issues/1934 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toshiya > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 3:23 PM Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can start the work for drools and Toshiya offered > > > > > > > > > > > > help. I can also > > > > > > > > > take > > > > > > > > > > > > on Optaplanner. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That leaves jbpm. I know dmn had a site setup, but not > > > > > > > > > > > > sure if we > > > > > > > > > > > need/want > > > > > > > > > > > > a separate section for it in the future? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Toni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 2:56 AM Craig Russell > > > > > > > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peanut here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What Toni sez. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now, an internet search for "drools" returns > > > > > > > > > > > > > links to the > > > > > > > > > > > obsolete > > > > > > > > > > > > > drools.org <http://drools.org/ > web site, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it seem like > > > > > > > > > > > > drools > > > > > > > > > > > > > is dead. The downloads on the site are years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wrong message. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd suggest to copy any current data still on > > > > > > > > > > > > > drools.org < > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://drools.org/ > to a section on kie.apache.org < > > > > > > > > > > > > http://kie.apache.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In "no time at all" search engines will notice that > > > > > > > > > > > > > drools is now > > > > > > > > > homed > > > > > > > > > > > > at > > > > > > > > > > > > > kie. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Until the domain expires, now redirect drools.org < > > > > > > > > > http://drools.org/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > > > kie.apache.org <http://kie.apache.org/ > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unless this is done, the project is missing out on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of > > > > > > > > > possible > > > > > > > > > > > > users. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Same for other domains that are now kie projects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HTH, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Craig > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 24, 2025, at 03:57, Toni Rikkola > > > > > > > > > <[email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right now we have drools.org and kie.apache.org and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the > > > > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > > > > goes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for every other subproject. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Old sites > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * They break the copyrights that Apache now has for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > KIE. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * They get a lot of hits and the site contents are > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1.5 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they say the project is dead, use something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No updates. No mentions of the Apache releases > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Can go down at any moment since this community > > > > > > > > > > > > > > does not fund > > > > > > > > > them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New site > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No content > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * No, or minimal, resources to maintain them > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking at the fact that it has been years. It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > clear we have > > > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > > > > > > motivation or man power to maintain these. So the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question is > > > > > > > > > what is > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > shortest path to victory? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My suggestion is we use the domains and forward to > > > > > > > > > kie.apache.org as > > > > > > > > > > > > > soon > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as possible. Right now the old domains are sending > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the wrong > > > > > > > > > signal. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure we have a lot of ideas, but also consider > > > > > > > > > > > > > > where we get > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > resources to implement. 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