Hi Kevin,

Nah we're fine. 

At Apache we're about consensus. There's nothing binding about a release
manager
decision -- it's mainly the person who desires to do the work. I just
wanted to formalize
at least:

* a bit of a waiting period (to all everyone to contribute to the
discussion -- they did,
at least those that had an opinion)
* to get in the habit of discussing things that require others' feedback,
more for social
Issues.

I encourage Knox at the ASF to only use VOTEs for absolutely necessary
things (releases; 
addition of new personnel). However when a discussion has happened like
this, new community,
more +1s than -1s, no VETOs, etc., you can simply call it here, save the
VOTE thread, and
say "looks like there are no objections, I'm moving forward".

And then ...move forward :)

Cheers,
Chris


On 3/27/13 6:27 AM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]> wrote:

>So there are three +1s (Chris,Larry,Sumit) on a discuss thread.  My
>assumption is that someone (me?) needs to start a [VOTE] thread to make
>this official.  Will the three +1's be sufficient to create a binding
>decision?
>
>On 3/21/13 11:28 AM, Sumit Mohanty wrote:
>> +1
>>
>> On 3/21/13 5:16 AM, "larry mccay" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>> On Mar 21, 2013 1:57 AM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <
>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Kevin,
>>>>
>>>> So, implied in your statements are that you would like to be the
>>>>release
>>>> manager for Apache Knox (incubating) <first version #>.
>>>>
>>>> You've got my +1.
>>>>
>>>> I'll leave this thread open for 48+ hrs and if I don't hear objections
>>>> to my proposal (based on your implication) then let's assume you can
>>>>be
>>>> the initial RM.
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough?
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 3/20/13 4:00 PM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So in trying to get ready to do a release I do really need help
>>>> figuring
>>>>> out a few things.  Clearly trying to figure it all out myself is
>>>>> inappropriate.
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. LICENSE and NOTICE - I think I know what to do but how do I know
>>>>>if
>>>>> I'm right?  Will someone be auditing this?
>>>>> 2. Artifact signatures - No idea how this is typically done for a
>>>>>Java
>>>>> project.  Any pointers?
>>>>> 3. What else needs to be in place to initiate a release vote?
>>>>>
>>>>> So basically I'm personally interested in starting the process of
>>>>> releasing 0.2.0.  How knows how many RCs it will take.  Do we need to
>>>>> vote on starting that?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/20/13 6:53 PM, Kevin Minder wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>> Lets see, this is all just a symptom of me learning the ropes here
>>>> and
>>>>>> transitioning into the open development mode.  So let me address
>>>>>>each
>>>>>> point I believed was raised so that I get concrete feedback about
>>>>>>how
>>>>>> to improve and proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Snapshot upload
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I certainly understand the "second class" citizen concern here and I
>>>>>> was concerned about it myself.  At the time I thought my only option
>>>>>> was a private email about the upload.  I thought that was worse that
>>>>>> discussing it publically.  Ideally I would expect these type of
>>>>>> frequent snapshot distributions to be built via CI.  We don't have
>>>>>> that setup yet.  I will file a Jira for that but given the
>>>> information
>>>>>> I received in the general@incubator thread this seemed like it could
>>>>>> take awhile.  In the meantime I like Alan's suggestion of uploading
>>>> to
>>>>>> apache.org/~kminder.  I'll do that and send another email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. Release vote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We want to avoid co-development at all costs too but at the same
>>>>>>time
>>>>>> we still need to make progresss, name and cut "unofficial releases"
>>>> to
>>>>>> evaluate both at Hortonworks and also to court potential community
>>>>>> members.  What should we be calling these to stay within the rules?
>>>> I
>>>>>> specifically left the SNAPSHOT in everything as an attempt.  I
>>>>>>expect
>>>>>> that there is still significant work that needs to be done to create
>>>>>> something that will pass legal for an official Apache release.  I
>>>> have
>>>>>> more work to do to understand exactly what needs to be in the
>>>>>>LICENSE
>>>>>> and NOTICE files at a minimum.  When that was done I was planning on
>>>>>> asking about calling for a vote.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. v0.1.0 and v0.2.0-rc1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We had all of our history from the GitHub repository imported into
>>>> the
>>>>>> Apache Git repo where we have continued working.  Therefore there
>>>>>>are
>>>>>> existing tags for the v0.1.0 and v0.2.0-rc1 so I thought it made the
>>>>>> most sense to continue on.  I do acknowledge in hindsight that this
>>>> is
>>>>>> something that should have been discussed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Co-development
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is no active private repository for this.  Everything is being
>>>>>> committed to the Apache git repo at this point.  Larry and I in
>>>>>> particular need to find the right balance between high bandwidth
>>>> brain
>>>>>> storming (e.g. face:face, IM, phone) and email discussions on
>>>> dev@knox.
>>>>>> 4. Jira
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Devarj filed INFRA-5922 on March 1st to have Jira setup.  I would
>>>> much
>>>>>> rather be using the Apache Jira so anything that can be done to
>>>>>>speed
>>>>>> that up would be appreciated.  I'll take the reference to the
>>>>>> Hortonworks Jira out of the docs and I guess we will just have to
>>>> keep
>>>>>> track of any issues discovered in email.  I'll come up with some
>>>> email
>>>>>> subject convention (e.g. [BUG])
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Continued feedback appreciated.
>>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/20/13 5:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J) wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RE: #3, after looking at it in more detail, we need to remove
>>>>>>> references
>>>>>>> to internal Hortonworks JIRA's in our Apache documentation. I
>>>> realize
>>>>>>> Hortonworks
>>>>>>> people have their own company systems, etc. Those should not be
>>>>>>> confused
>>>>>>> with their Apache (!Hortonworks) counterparts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do we have an Apache Knox JIRA? If not, I would be glad to request
>>>> one.
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/20/13 2:46 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)"
>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Kevin,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not sure what this email means, but I'm worried by its
>>>>>>>>context.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you suggesting that you have released a version of Apache
>>>>>>>>Knox,
>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>> a version # 0.2.0?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If so, then I have the following statements/questions:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Apache releases are VOTEd on by the Apache Knox PPMC and by the
>>>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>>>> Incubator PMC
>>>>>>>> (whose VOTEs are the binding ones in this process atm). Unless I
>>>>>>>> missed
>>>>>>>> it,
>>>>>>>> I didn't see a VOTE thread, so I'm not sure how you released
>>>>>>>>Apache
>>>>>>>> Knox.
>>>>>>>> See: http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement.html
>>>>>>>> Small note: where is RC1?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2. It looks like there is development occurring internally at
>>>>>>>> Hortonworks
>>>>>>>> here.
>>>>>>>> Why? Co-developing wastes community resources. All of you guys
>>>>>>>>here
>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>> are interested
>>>>>>>> in the project should be developing here. Of course there are
>>>> naming
>>>>>>>> issues, etc.,
>>>>>>>> associated with this, but more importantly there are community
>>>>>>>> issues. So
>>>>>>>> I request
>>>>>>>> clarification on this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 3. Great job on the documentation!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Looking forward to the clarifications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/20/13 2:35 PM, "Kevin Minder" <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>> I decided to cut and share v0.2.0 RC2 of the gateway.  I tagged
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> repo
>>>>>>>>> with v0.2.0-rc2.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For those in Hortonworks I uploaded a ZIP here
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://docs.google.com/a/hortonworks.com/file/d/0BzcmnaxIHtiAZkxhQWZC
>>>>>>>>> Q21
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> y
>>>>>>>>> WTA/edit
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Everyone else should be able to create their own following these
>>>>>>>>> instructions.
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/release-process.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Apache site is starting to come along.
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of particular interest are the links in the Documentation section
>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>> left Nav bar.
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/getting-started.html
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/examples.html
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/client.html
>>>>>>>>> http://knox.incubator.apache.org/sandbox.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I wrote and reorganized a bunch of documentation over the last
>>>>>>>>>few
>>>>>>>>> days
>>>>>>>>> and I haven't "tested" all of it yet.  So there may need to be
>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> tweaks there and an RC3.  Functionally however the more eyes the
>>>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>>>> so give it a spin.  We are especially interested in feedback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kevin.
>>>>
>>
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