El mar, 30-05-2006 a las 02:13 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
> I only mentioned my fork to support my ideas about improving trunk.  I
> only started the fork because I was in a high-speed car accident, my
> brain was damaged, and I needed a project to prove my technical skills
> were fine.

That is perfectly alright, but having this work in the ASF rep would
help to review your ideas and we benefit on a project base.

> 
> You are aware of the fork because I mentioned it in the thread about
> handling extensions.  

Well, you mentioned it a couple of times in different threads, sometimes
you refer to this work as lenya-1.3.

> I suggested an easy algorithm, and mentioned
> that it already worked in my version.  The thread continued without a
> response to my comment.

That is the reason I picked it up in this thread.

> 
> "We cannot waste resources in having endless discussions or having
> good ideas in a
> non ASF fork."
> 
> But none of my ideas are "good".  

We cannot really evaluate them. 

> I am not part of the development
> effort because my ideas have been completely spurned.  Every
> suggestion I have made about Lenya has been discarded by the other
> Committers.  Most of the issues discussed on the dev list were fixed
> or avoided in my fork because I fixed the architecture.  Attempting to
> pass that knowledge back to the 1.4 developers generated this
> complaint.

This is a phenomenon that we need to resolve as community that's why I
started this thread. 

It seems to me that one solution is to create a branch and check in your
code. This way we have a pool of ideas and architecture enhancement that
we can use. 

Regarding the complains of others, we need to find a more productive way
to discuss this points in this community. Having code examples is
helping me personally a lot more then dry discussions.

> 
> I did not start the fork because my suggestions are disdained.  I did
> not do it to hurt the project in any way.  I needed to write code, and
> could use a better version of Lenya.  I'm scratching my own itch for a
> few hours each week.  My code and ideas are unwanted in trunk, so how
> does my private work hurt the project?

Yes and no. IMO it hurts the project not having your code. We are
loosing valuable ideas. 

Let me state crystal clear (in the name of the Lenya PMC) that your code
is wanted. Let us create a branch and see how we can reuse your work in
the trunk.
 
> 
> I would enjoy adding a branch at ASF, but why do it?  It would risk
> splitting the effort between the current 1.4 and a simpler, easier,
> more flexible version.  

Actually I do not see this risk. Since now you are the only one working
on the version but maybe people will join you and we can enhance the
trunk as well.

> The programmers enjoy working on the complex
> version.  

I consider myself as programmer and believe me I do *not* enjoy working
on complex things and I would love to see a simpler version.

> The users who would benefit from the easier version  could
> not add value to it.  The fork is probably better as my private
> project.

It is your decission but like I stated I see it as lost for this
project, which makes me sad. 

salu2
-- 
thorsten

"Together we stand, divided we fall!" 
Hey you (Pink Floyd)


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