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>I really don't think a web site
>for a tiny community of CF developers in Dublin is of any use

your just not speeing the potential, then, its a mmugs, not directed only at
cfer's per se,
or coders or designers, I'm thinking ahead, maybe 5 years from now, building
community among developers,there's a growing awareness in education circles
of the need for developing IT infrastructure like this to harness different
talents of those interested in the web in different ways. I'm working on a
possible alliance with a US mmug to give it a buzz, gather your not
interested anyway, forget the challenge then, still you make good points,
links on it are good:) I'll put up another site over the next week or so,
basically I wsas hoping yu'd come along and do a complete redesign...some
chance there, again ta for the prodding...



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>The development of a decent site is not a problem, the real problem is
>getting enough developers like yourself( that is, if your not just a
>knocker) to make it worthwhile in fun ways.

But the development of a decent site obviously is a problem; it's crap.
Although you may have honourable intentions of giving something back to the
community that has supported you, the site doesn't seem to provide anything
apart from links to other sites. Not a bad thing necessarily, but why wrap
those links up inside a horrible user-interface when you already have a
Yahoo group? I actually think this is detrimental to the perception of the
ColdFusion community from the outside. We are a community of developers
with an image problem due to poor coding and, historically, limited
functionality of the CFML language. Although coding standards have improved
and the historical limitations of CFML as a programming language have
largely been addressed, there is still perception that CFML is a "kids"
programming language which HTMLers use to get data from databases and
display on web pages. A user group web site which is well below standard
does not help convince people otherwise.

Personally, I would be willing to help out with the site if I thought it
was worthwhile, but if I'm brutally honest, I really don't think a web site
for a tiny community of CF developers in Dublin is of any use. Why
duplicate effort? There are loads of other CF developer sites out there
that provide the kind of service that you seem to be aiming for. Does it
matter if they are hosted on the other side of the world?


Mark

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