Don't worry too much about code being stolen. Get yourselves a decent Legal
Expenses Insurance and if, after all your attempts to save it, someone still
steals it, sue the b******s and make some more money from it.

Also bear in mind that most ideas are never as original as they seem and if
someone steals your ideas or code it won't add up to much.

You can probably gather from my post that I manage a legal services website!
:-)

Paolo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garry Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 September 2002 11:07
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] .cfm enryption
> 
> 
> Very true. I don't think it will happen with the project in 
> mind, but what
> concerns me is as an Intranet app all it needs is some 
> unscrupulous admin
> guy copying the code, taking it home and white labelling it himself
> 
> I'm probably over paranoid, but I did a site for one client a 
> couple of
> years ago and we fell out big time (old school friend as 
> well....) and it's
> on a shared server somewhere. Fortunatly he doesn't have the 
> brain cells to
> realise that he could make a few changes to the code and sell 
> it to other
> companies that are in a similar field to his and probably 
> make quite a few
> quid out of it, I'd be none the wiser.
> 
> I guess that for the smaller clients, just waving a contract 
> with IP rights
> in bold will be enough. Larger firms wouldn't want the bad 
> publicity that a
> violation would create, but it still doesn't stop the BOFH 
> burning the odd
> CD or two
> 
> Garry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paolo Piponi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: 05 September 2002 10:46
> To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] .cfm enryption
> 
> 
> I think that is a good point. Certainly try your hardest to 
> protect your IP,
> but you must not rely on any technology alone to protect your 
> IP - you need
> a solid contract.
> 
> On the other hand, if any relationship is going to work, 
> there is always a
> level of trust. Yes, you can sue, but, knowing from hard 
> experience, either
> you or your opponent goes down before money is collected.
> 
> Paolo
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Sent: 05 September 2002 10:09
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] .cfm enryption
> > 
> > 
> > > What do the rest of you do,
> > 
> > its a hard one. the best you could do from a legal standpoint 
> > is make sure
> > the contract you have with the customer clearly states the 
> > ownership of IP
> > etc so that if they do reuse it then they'll be liable.
> > 
> > What we do is instead of selling solutions which we give to 
> > the customer, we
> > sell services.
> > 
> > so all our services are hosted on our servers and the bits 
> > that we don't
> > want to give customers source read access to, we lock down. 
> > we state this in
> > our t&cs and contracts etc. this works quite well. They're 
> not buying
> > software, they're buying access to the *usage* of software.
> > 
> > btw I don't think cfdecrypt can decrypt cf5 files, although 
> > looking at the
> > shrewm notice board, there seem to be people claiming they 
> > can (for a fee).
> > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Garry Mills [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: 05 September 2002 10:10
> > > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > > Subject: [ cf-dev ] .cfm enryption
> > > 
> > > 
> > > We're rolling out a product to a customer soon, and bluntly 
> > > speaking we
> > > don't want them to be able to copy the app onto another server.
> > > 
> > > Know about cfencrypt, and also know about cfdecrypt and 
> > > whilst it will stop
> > > the numpties getting into it doubt the tech department will 
> > find it as
> > > difficult
> > > 
> > > A google search for coldfusion dongle returns a load of 
> > links to crack
> > > files...
> > > 
> > > What do the rest of you do, or is cfentrpt our only option? 
> > > (oh, and I tried
> > > CF encrypted files on a Cobalt once and it didn't seem to 
> > > work, although
> > > thats a separate issue)
> > > 
> > > Garry
> > > 
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