I'm one of the complete muppets Mr Hollywood is refering to (thanks Russ ;0) and yeah, frameworks are great if they're simple... they allow learners to better see the process of the language. I've worked on Fusebox sites since and though I was able to follow them it took some eyeball screwing up and I think that is the acid test... they're only really worthwhile if someone else can come in and not have to drain their brains before doing anything...
----- Original Message ----- From: "Snake Hollywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 3:47 PM Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] OT: CF to PHP > I just find it too bloated and unmanagable. > The concept is great and there are some cool ideas in there, but I find > as a whole it defeats the point of a framework and methodology by being > overly complex. > For people or teams that know fusebox sure it is better than no > framework at all and makes development easier. But for a developer who > has never seen it b4 and comes in to work on a project, it is a > nightmare to unravel that spagetti and figure out what does what. I am > talking primarily fb3 here. FB2 wasn't so bad. > I think fb3 is more a choice for an internal development team to use or > the self employed, rather than a company who gets in consultants. > > I have been all for methodologies and frameworks for a long time and > have written several of my own since my days of 6502 machine > code/assembler, so when I looked at it and it make me feel uncomfortable > as a seasoned developer, I couldn't see it having a very good affect on > less competent developers. > > The one I use now is very simple although it has scope to add as much > additional functionality and bloat as you like if u feel so inclined and > I have managed to teach it to complete cf muppets who I know would have > not coped with fb3. Which is what I need as other people have to use the > code and when I outsource work other developers have to code in the > framework. > > Just my 2p. > > > Russ Michaels > Macromedia/Allaire Certified ColdFusion Developer > > Satachi Internet Development > Unit 2, 7A Plough Yard > London EC2A 3LP > > Phone: 0870 787 3610 > Tech Support: 0906 9607800 > FAX: 0709 2212 636 > http://www.satachi.com > email general: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > email support: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Join our ColdFusion Developer discussion lists. > Send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 06 January 2003 15:23 > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] OT: CF to PHP > > > > > > > > > > Nice to see fb finally coming in useful for asomething then > > > > > > > Question: Why don't you like Fusebox? > > I'm just asking, because I really like the way it makes code > > more reliable/maintainable. > > > > Paul > > > > PS Should this go to chat? It is discussing a CF methodology > > and coding style, so... PPS If you haven't come across > > fusebox: http://www.fusebox.org > > ------------------------------------------- > > Paul Johnston > > PJ Net Solutions Ltd > > http://www.pjnetsolutions.com > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > +44 (0)7866 573013 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > -- > ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- ** Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/dev%40lists.cfdeveloper.co.uk/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For human help, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
