And they just "simulate" registrations...

It's pretty easy to get around when a company is using a program to simulate
clicks...

However, there is one possibility...

How about sending the data as XML and having an external XSL stylesheet, and
if the user is using IE 6 then you can do the HTML creation on the client
side... That way the java applet MAY get confused (it may not take long to
get round though)...

Other than that, the simulated HTTP GET/POST statements must be in some
common format?  Maybe check for that common format in some way and if it
appears to be from the applet, then dump the request...?  This can of course
be got around!

I still think creating a Flash front end for the search results may provide
you with more protection (although it means flash being used on the site
which may or may not be worthwhile)...  That way a scrape is a lot more
difficult.

Erm...

Cease and Desist letter at same time would probably be effective too!
Btw... It is very easy to write a flash checker to see if a user has flash
installed and most do.  That way you would have two versions of the relevant
bits (ie search results and house details for example) BUT you would stop
plain old HTML scraping occurring.

Paul

> Oih dear. That's very sneaky.
> Perhaps a registration to access the site is required then
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rich Wild [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 16 September 2003 10:30
> > To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
> > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Stopping 'db scrapes'
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> > > Not if the URL is not on any of the pages.
> > 
> > What I'm saying is that if a page is available to a normal
> > user of Peter's site with a normal browser without having to 
> > sign in, then the competitor will be able to get that page 
> > also, no matter what you do.
> > 
> > They're not linking to any pages, they're using a java applet
> > to simulate a user clicking and submitting search forms and 
> > then they're scraping the results. Hence if a user can see 
> > the data, then so can their java applet, no matter what you 
> > put in the url.
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