Actually, the Sean simply introduced Mach-II to the development team at MM. The desire to use it for new development came from within the ranks though. Because a lot of the developers for mm.com have more traditional (read C++, Java, OOP) programming backgrounds, MachII works well for them. Sean didn't have to push it on them... they realized its true value all on their own.
Paul Kenney [EMAIL PROTECTED] 916-212-4359 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 8:04 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > > > The preferred in house framework for the web technology group > is Mach-ii. > > That's probably because up until a few weeks ago Sean was > heading up that > group. > > No idea if the whole orgianization uses Mach-ii in house, but I'd be > surprised if they did. Individuals have their own preferred > approaches to > coding based on their experience. Unless there was a decree > from on high > that Mach-ii had to be used everywhere I'd expect that there > would be a > variety of approaches based on individuals' experience. > > my 2c > > Spike > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: > >[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >o.uk] On Behalf Of Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > >Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 2:44 AM > >To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > > > >I think that since Sean is involved as well that there is a > >certain degree of kudos on its part as a development framework > >etc....anyone know what the preferred in house framework is > >for MM? I would say that there would have to be one and not > >just using "Forta"-fied type page design when developing CF > >applications. > > > >Its interesting I will give it that....worth a look.... > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Sent: 20 April 2004 17:05 > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > > > >I'm familiar with all the versions of Fusebox, but I never > >particularly liked any of them once Fusebox 2 came out. Can't > >pin down my exact reasons, but it's was essentially a problem > >of being constrained by the framework rather than enabled by it. > > > >I have worked extensively with Spectra and written a large > >content management system from scratch using some of the > >principles from there. I helped to write the fourQ data > >persistence layer for Farcry and am still involved with the > >continued development. > > > >Last year, before Mach-ii appeared, I architected a system for > >Tourism Queensland in Australia using MVP. The architecture I > >developed for them is called Batfink and has a few of the same > >principles as Mach-ii. The app is separated into Model, View > >and Presenter. The model and view are close to what you would > >probably do in a Mach-ii app, but the presenter layer in > >Batfink works differently to how the core files work in Mach-ii. > > > >As a comparison, I'd say that Mach-ii provides a far richer > >set of options for how to build any app than any version of > >Fusebox. I definitely prefer it to Spectra and the CMS I > >built. Partly because it allows you to build more than a > >content management system, and partly because it's more lightweight. > >I haven't decided yet on whether I prefer it to Batfink. So > >far it hasn't forced me to make any architectural decisions > >"because that's the way it works", but I'm quite early on in > >this project, so we'll see how that pans out as I get into the > >more complex stuff. > > > >Once you get the hang of how it works, it is pretty easy to > >develop with, and it should be pretty easy to make changes to > >a Mach-ii app for maintenance purposes. The one thing I'm > >wondering about is how hard it would be to correct a major > >architectural mistake. My suspicion is that a lot would depend > >on how well you stick to some of the guiding principles of OO > >(and any software development for that matter). Namely: > >increase cohesion and decrease coupling. As long as you've got > >that right, your architectural screw up should be pretty well > >isolated from the rest of the app and not too difficult to fix. > > > >Spike > > > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>o.uk] On Behalf Of Sam Westlake > >>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:41 AM > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > >> > >>Did you tackle Fusebox before getting involved with mach-ii? > >>Or any other frameworks for ColdFusion? > >> > >>How do you find they compare with mach-ii as a developer? > >> > >>-----Original Message----- > >>From: Stephen Milligan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Sent: 20 April 2004 16:35 > >>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > >> > >>I'm about ankle deep in a project right now where the client > >wanted me > >>to use Mach-ii. If you understand OO programming you'll > find a lot of > >>what's going on very natural and intuitive. If you haven't > >done much in > >>the way of OO before you'll have a bit of fun wrapping your > >head around > >>what's going on. > >> > >>It is a true framework in that it provides pre-written code and > >>modules. > >>That pre-written code forms the controller part of an MVC > >methodology. > >>You write the model and view yourself and, using the XML > config file, > >>tell the controller the sequence of actions you would like to > >take for > >>any given request. > >> > >>The view is generally plain old cfm files that generate > HTML, and the > >>model tends to be CFCs. > >> > >>You might have a bit of fun trying to get started with it > >because there > >>isn't really a 'hold my hand' guide. The sample apps are relatively > >>simple, so you can be left scratching your head wondering how to go > >>about implementing a more complex project. If that's the case you > >>should probably go have a look at http://www.mach-ii.info. > The source > >>code for that site is available online for download and is a > >more solid > >>example of how a real world mach-ii app might be written. > >> > >>One of mach-ii's strengths also happens to be a bit of a > weakness for > >>the beginner. There are just so many different ways you could > >approach > >>any given problem that it's hard for anyone to give you an > answer on > >>the _right_ way to do what you want to do. Once you get over > >that it's > >>a very solid system and I expect I'll be using more of it in future > >>projects. > >> > >>Some things to be aware of though: > >> > >>Having debugging enabled in the ColdFusion Administrator will > >make your > >>app _crawl_. I mean it will be slower by a factor of up to 10 > >times, so > >>you probably want to have it turned off most of the time and > >turn it on > >>only when you have a specific problem to track down. > >> > >>The core files are meant to be a black-box solution. i.e. > >>You're not supposed to go poking around in there to see if > there's a > >>way to take advantage of some quirk of how they work in your > >apps. That > >>makes sense because a new release could come out at any > time and you > >>don't want to have that break your existing apps. > >> > >>If you don't really know very much about OO and design > >patterns before > >>you start, make sure you have a reference of some kind > handy when you > >>look through the code for the sample apps. Especially the > source code > >>for www.mach-ii.info. It has some good examples of several design > >>patterns, but if you don't know that the patterns exist it > might be a > >>bit hard to figure out what exactly is going on, and more > importantly > >>why the code is written the way it is. > >> > >>HTH > >> > >>Spike > >> > >>>-----Original Message----- > >>>From: > >>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>>o.uk] On Behalf Of Robertson-Ravo, Neil (RX) > >>>Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:39 AM > >>>To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' > >>>Subject: [ cf-dev ] Mach II > >>> > >>>Whats everyones take on the Mach II Framework? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>This e-mail is from Reed Exhibitions (Oriel House, 26 The > Quadrant, > >>>Richmond, Surrey, TW9 1DL, United Kingdom), a division of Reed > >>>Business, Registered in England, Number 678540. It contains > >>information > >>>which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the > >>>exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). 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