RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting

[Ellwood]

What is the termj of the liocence for those Oogymaflip’s because I like the sound of them.   Ellis C Wood BSc Ellwood Web Solutions   T: 01623 459973 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.ellwoodwebsolutions.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Snake Hollywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2004 17:22 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting   Alex,   perhaps you just have more free time to deal with things like this and spend hours traipsing around websites and on the phone to sales guys. but us busy folks just find it an annoying waste of time. If a company can't tell you whether their products costs �17k or �250k then it's because they are going to do a Paul underwood on you.   Look how easy it is.   Our product Oogymaflip   1 x license to use on one server �999 1 x unlimited domains license �3999 1 x single domain license �199   These prices are not going to change because I wear snake skin shoes, because it's friday or because my name is Russ. If I want a custom solution that is not listed, i'm actually quite clever, I can use email and telephones and I can ask for one.   It's no different than buying a car form Arther dailey is it really...   Russ       From: Alex Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2004 17:06 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting erm,   I dont agree firstly as how helpful is 17k-250k ? it depends on what the client needs and what it is they're trying to do, it is a more complicated sale. I agree on the whole sales bit generally but i think in the enterprise space people realise that if you do a full pitch rather than giving info that people ask for you're going to be losing a sale. Plus developers dont like sales people anyway generally (so they cant win :-) ).   I'd agree that most clients dont spend 30k on the cms alone typically id say its around 20 but again with high end requirements generally comes the budget. Shado isnt the type of system that you're going to use on every project if the total budget is say 20-25k or at least its less common, people are if its mostly out of box functionality. Id say the average budget is anywhere between 30-50k with the odd bigger one if they're doing something really special, such as high availability or whatever but then thats usually hardware. I think its all about the size if Shado's right for the job, i.e its an enterprise deployment then it generally wont come down to a price decision.   Alex   From: Snake Hollywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2004 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting It would be nice to find the options you have available without having to speak to annoying sales people who will just keep trying to convince you even if you tell them it's too expensive. The average client isn't going to spend �30k on the CMS alone, no matter how wonderful you tell them it is. This is only for those big �clients who have �100k to spend on the whole project. So it is kinda annoying when you have to waste time reading all about the products on the websites, realise there is no price, get in touch with sales, listen to 20 mins+ of sales hype before he will even tell you the price, only to discover it's out of your clients range anyway.   This is annoying with all companies who don't put prices online, not just Shado. there really is no excuse fo rnot putting some kind of price online, even if it's only a guide.     Russ       From: Alex Skinner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2004 16:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting Erm,   The lack of downloads and published pricing was an active decision firstly because Straker mostly sell through partners and a lot of people put together packages including consulting and installation but secondly if people are actually have a requirement for a cms they'll call. There is a huge number of people every day applying for demos (hey russ ;-). The pricing decision i believe revolves around the fact that shado is sold into a number of different markets i.e. its cheaper for education users, and whereas the pricing isnt too complex by cms standards, there are different models for clustering etc, so as not to misinterpret its done over the phone.   With regard to downloads, you cant download Reddot, Immediacy, Gauss, Microsoft CMS or any other main cms players. Shado at least lets clients have a demo of their software to evaluate which is also a rare, strange as that may sound.   My 2p   Alex   From: Snake Hollywood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 21 June 2004 15:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ cf-dev ] CFMX hosting is there a trial version of Shado then ? there is nothing on the straker site about price and no downloads. companies that don't publish pricing make me very wary as you know they are just gonna make it up according to how much they think they can choke out of you.     Russ   --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 13/04/2004   --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 13/04/2004   --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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