-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 On 12/07/2014 02:35 PM, Aurélien DESBRIÈRES wrote: > > Pour autant c'est parceque l'on cherche toujours à faire taire les plus > belles utopie plutôt que de se battre pour elles et trouver des > solutions à celle-ci, que les utopies n'avance pas alors quelle le > pourraient. > > Alors lève toi et bat toi. > *** Translation:
Meanwhile, because the most beautiful utopias are forced into silence instead of called for being fought for, and thus find solutions for them, they don't work as they should. So, stand up and fight. * Again, I appreciate the position. But you fail to respond to the question of money: do you live without money? Do you realize that because every participant has to find money outside the project, the project itself depends on, at best and as fauno suggested, project-based services, and at worst, a day job, that the utopia is not working as it should? Meanwhile, non-free, corporate-based projects built on surveillance megabucks such as Internet.org, are progressing way faster, and leaving entire populations prisoners of proprietary and trade economy ideologies, while they could be working on solidarity-based solutions. I'd like to understand what you're calling for exactly, if that is simply to survive with what you have, or is it to make an utopia turn real. In that case, instead of discourse, I'd like to read about how you propose to address the issue that is coming up, that people need to put food on their table, and they're having difficulties dealing with it from their current standpoint. According to the principle you're flying the flag of, impure money won't be touching the project. Therefore, you're stifling solidarity by refusing a mean to sustain contributors. If that is not the case, then please, explain how you envision working around the difficulty met by the people who proposed opening the project to receiving donations so that they can keep afloat while maintaining their current dedication, instead of being forced to drive their attention away from it. I'm all ears as to how to set up money-less solutions that empower people to contribute and reinforce not only the technology, but the community as well. Otherwise I have to say BTDT: while some people dedicate their life to the project, others are simply contributing in their "free time", and the one-way route of the former ends to an impasse. Once again, the issue at stake is not money or not money--first prove me that you don't use it, and I can believe you--but what is meant by community, and solidarity, and how does that come into play at the level of a software project. Is it considered a common pool resource where every contributor benefits from it to "fend for themselves", or is their something more than libertarian capitalist trade economy behind this? == hk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQJ8BAEBCgBmBQJUhJapXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25zLm9w ZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAw MDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwMDAwAAoJEEgGw2P8GJg9su4P+wdcMey7oPM3qpErUEkg39tG IaB1KtdKx0V3iZH2yw3M9lRjFveavUb8CbG+J1+nZ4iwT477hq3fFFokJP8BdzEb lV+RwwMzpiPn9eRf0p/Efo0B2U8VuVlCkARiqak9+0Ke0FmTmWFTyBnnwpUrdqRC qdz7dPyisb3jLa8SBZ2K+9wrA8T3nDSWyxoGOm6N4i0pk/h+f10Ui+W5LLEI1io9 3AqFr8ZMeoihQWo7JUkFd7Nk4sH7qQgp+TF9C5vNPdUQRxpLvmtlsyNwGA1JeCL+ UuA1XlyupWe0Cg20i+YGPLIc6IUjqj88s4YnYekLMdYtbEzRUXQO15FLDV2tR7/M C0J47vrp7QVeab33wnK3TaWuLg2ZKKV19UO5Ej7EPU8iZG9YjRd6hRFNATUxPVSL 44yb4QtUDHKtdtP4NkB++IUutj48Z1DBeN12qbm0Uxxn25FTbCOJxEkcwSRjdPQU +Ii3lCEiqzvPJEe82h910ciuhWh4tNv309J0KM21O8RUEWu91Y9XXrFn2MXAjg0n nj6ejC3ftDrCoKW2YQMIdJxGyYumF/B3WuKtxzIaohRiPk5wc1aX+9GKnKbd82rI ysJr7Vqk+LQCgK6vvk5ylOV1awJo/9dKEn0skwvAwCInDCZDpoZvpuf5nhwnOf+B PO5ufo97kFBXryFHHhcY =l2zf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
