Stig Roar Wangberg <[email protected]> writes: > to., 06.04.2017 kl. 14.12 +0200, skrev aurelien: >> Stig Roar Wangberg <[email protected]> writes: >> >> > to., 06.04.2017 kl. 08.18 +0200, skrev aurelien: >> > > Crazytoon <[email protected]> writes: >> > > >> > > > El 05/04/17 a las 20:31, Stig Roar Wangberg escribió: >> > > > > on., 05.04.2017 kl. 23.27 +0000, skrev coadde: >> > > > > > On 04/05/2017 09:39 PM, Luke wrote: >> > > > > > > On 04/05/2017 04:51 PM, Tiberiu-Cezar Tehnoetic wrote: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Our agreement has been signed on 24 September 2015 >> > > > > > > > > for a >> > > > > > > > > term >> > > > > > > > > of 1 (one) >> > > > > > > > > year and it has been automatically renewed on 24 >> > > > > > > > > September >> > > > > > > > > 2016. I >> > > > > > > > > remind everyone that Ceata doesn't charge Parabola >> > > > > > > > > any >> > > > > > > > > fee for >> > > > > > > > > handling >> > > > > > > > > its donations and expenses. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Any other free software nonprofit offering fiscal >> > > > > > > > > sponsorship >> > > > > > > > > (such as >> > > > > > > > > FSF and SF Conservancy) charges the projects under >> > > > > > > > > their >> > > > > > > > > umbrella with a >> > > > > > > > > standard fee of 10% of income. That is around €250 >> > > > > > > > > EUR >> > > > > > > > > for the >> > > > > > > > > income >> > > > > > > > > Parabola has received so far. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Considering that there is a number of Parabola >> > > > > > > > > hackers/donors >> > > > > > > > > unsatisfied with Ceata's fiscal sponsorship, it is >> > > > > > > > > our >> > > > > > > > > decision >> > > > > > > > > to >> > > > > > > > > terminate the current agreement. Please consider this >> > > > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > > > "sixty (60) >> > > > > > > > > days written notice" I send you on behalf of Ceata, >> > > > > > > > > as >> > > > > > > > > per §7. >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I just wanted to take a moment to say that while >> > > > > > > questions >> > > > > > > were >> > > > > > > being >> > > > > > > asked by members of our community, no one has made the >> > > > > > > public >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > decision to "terminate". >> > > > > > > However, as Ceata has already made this decision for us >> > > > > > > (which is >> > > > > > > allowed per §7), it will be unlikely to find a >> > > > > > > replacement >> > > > > > > within >> > > > > > > 60 days. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > As for current consensus: >> > > > > > > I think we should immediately remove donation links from >> > > > > > > the >> > > > > > > website to >> > > > > > > avoid further loss/confusion of Parabola donations until >> > > > > > > this >> > > > > > > matter is >> > > > > > > resolved. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > +1 >> > > > > >> > > > > +1 >> > > > >> > > > +1 >> > > >> > > +1 >> > > >> > > I would like to bring you back in time when I said that I am >> > > against >> > > the >> > > money. Parabola was at first a mate adventure and continue to be >> > > one. >> > > >> > > I have no doubt about fauno and would be really pleased that you >> > > the >> > > people of that community get time to think of some important >> > > points: >> > > >> > > This project offer us many things from personnal being to >> > > knowledge. >> > > >> > > Nowadays thanks GNU and thanks Parabola because I have a job and >> > > that >> > > job comes from the knowledge all people of GNU shared with me and >> > > offer >> > > me the chance of practicing. >> > > >> > > Afaik from the day money comes here, it change many things from >> > > the >> > > share of practicing essential part of the project to the reason >> > > why >> > > people act. >> > > >> > > Speaking of people act, the first part of that mail comes from >> > > nowhere >> > > so that mean a private exchange around a public situation. >> > > >> > > The dark corner of the money are just like this: >> > > >> > > "Dark corners are basically fractal—no matter how much you >> > > illuminate, >> > > there’s always a smaller but darker one." -— Brian Kernighan >> > > >> > > Money must be kicked out from that place and never comes back. >> > > >> > > Yes the project need money for servers and many other things, but >> > > get >> > > time to understand that we load and run it during many years >> > > without >> > > donation rules, just on the point of discussion. >> > > >> > > Parabola is a great school art works and fauno his pillar. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Dev mailing list >> > > [email protected] >> > > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev >> > >> > I'm extremely thankful and grateful for Parabola and all I've >> > learned >> > about computing and hacking these last few weeks. And I couldn't >> > have >> > done it without the help, patience and understanding from my new >> > friends in this unique, wonderful community. >> > >> > I for one would love to see a world with a resource based economy >> > rather than a debt/interest one. (End the FED and Central Banking!) >> > But >> > I would hate to see my friends - already working around the clock >> > to >> > maintain the best distro in the world (!) - sell themselves to >> > companies doing non-free software and working with proprietary >> > software >> > just to make a living and only doing Parabola in their sparetime >> > an >> > hour before bed. But that is not for me to deside, of course, I >> > mean >> > how people are making a living. But I find this free community so >> > unique, helpful, developing (personally, per knowlegde, how-to, >> > freedom, friendship and more) that I would love for the devs to >> > work >> > with Parabola and at the same time be able to pay their bills, >> > devices >> > needed for building, maintaining, food and a place to live, for the >> > sake of keeping Parabola secure, safe, up to date and so on. It >> > would >> > also be great for the philosophy of freedom if Parabola could be >> > promoted with the help of artifects like t-shirts, cups, stickers, >> > support, lectures (for schools, companies and others interested in >> > the >> > use of free software) etc., which also would contribute to Parabola >> > economically. >> > >> > For me to be able to donate to Parabola and its devs, is a great >> > joy >> > for me. Not the fact that this world have this perverse >> > superstition of >> > a 'religion' called the monetary system, but due to the fact that I >> > strongly believe this will help freeing even more users from the >> > slavery caused by proprietary/non-free software and OSes. And for >> > that >> > I - as a user - very much so need you guys to do what you love the >> > most >> > and do best, i.e. Parabola! >> > >> > I very much welcome this new site for donating! I also welcome the >> > idea >> > of having a store, offering support and so on. And personally I >> > have >> > grown a lot in knowledge and know-how since I started to use >> > Parabola. >> > And if my learning curve continues the way it has the last few >> > weeks, >> > who knows; perhaps one day I can contribute to Parabola myself! I >> > myself don't have to worry about money ATM, but I would hate to see >> > Parabola lose quality because devs have no time to maintain it. So >> > if >> > that means to pay the devs a little money through donations, then >> > YES! >> > I'm in! >> >> No worries about that I am payed to spreed about free software to all >> the engineers around me. >> >> So the point about Parabola is not that you give free time you get >> paid >> to learn the price you won is the study you do not have to pay. >> >> -- aurelien > > I didn't quite get that last paragraph, but sure; if you get payed for > spreading free software, great! Good for you! I think other devs (like > those developing and maintaining Parabola full time) also would be > happy to get a small amount of payment for spreading free software and > a 100% free distro. Those already working, don't need to get payed for > doing Parabola, perhaps. But that's not the point. The donations is for > everyone. For Parabola! To make it grow, get stronger and to make sure > it has the devices/servers etc. it needs for that purpose. I'm just > saying I think it's a good idea. It's great to have a full time job and > demand from those who don't are going to work for free. Anyways, it's > just my humble opinion.
certainly, but I do not see where fauno get the money rather than for parabola so what is the trouble exactly ?? because from what I read he does not get the money for hiself. and no one respond me about the dark mail exchange around that I consider as a trap to one of thus who load the project. (and really not appreciate) -- aurelien _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list [email protected] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
