-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 I think it is a big deal, after the insults to Emulatorman.
El 13/04/17 a las 16:14, Nicolás A. Ortega escribió: > Alright, this seems to be getting a little out of hand over > something that really isn't that big a deal (what's more, the past > is the past and cannot be changed) > > On Thu, Apr 13, 2017 at 12:33:40PM -0300, fauno wrote: >> Megver83 <[email protected]> writes: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 >>> >>> Dear Mr. Richard Stallman: >> >> hi richard, i'm really ashamed you're getting involved in this >> and the shitload of emails that'll ensue. if you take the time >> to read the fine selection sent, at least hear the other bell and >> the full story. >> >>> In the last past days (even some years), the Parabola >>> community experimented some issues among its members because of >>> the difference of ideas. The problem now is that these issues >>> have increased and now it has become a big problem, which could >>> end up with Parabola if we don't solve it soon. We are telling >>> *you* this because the Parabola Community has been divided, and >>> we need a moderator, so we chose you. >> >> this "we" doesn't mean the parabola community, just the guys >> feeling attacked. >> > > Why do we need to involve Richard in this? I feel like this is > somehow a plea to authority trying to have someone else solve our > problems. However, I don't think this will solve anything, what's > more it creates an authority figure in the Parabola community where > instead we should be speaking rationally. We can't expect others to > come in and solve our problems for us. > > Differing opinions is normal since we are all different people > (life would be pretty boring if we all had the same opinions). The > important thing is reasoning through our differing opinions and > finding a compromise (which may or may not be necessary if either > side is able to convince the other of their ideas). > >>> Some time ago *some* Parabola devs thought about creating a >>> webstore so that devs can work full time for Parabola and get a >>> salary for that, at that point it was just like the >>> "brainstorming" when they (we) made some virtual meetings. When >>> this idea became a bit more known, then other devs, which were >>> not invited nor involved at the beginning started to criticize >>> the ones who begun with the idea calling our meetings "secret >>> meetings", "meetings without transparency" and bullying some >>> other devs like André Silva (Emulatorman), insulting and >>> contradicting him, defending themselves attacking others. >> >> yes, they were secret because everyone else in the community >> wasn't involved. you're forgetting you also wanted to force our >> fiscal sponsor to pay for things you wanted without caring if >> they could really pay them, and then accusing them of mishandling >> our funds. this forced them to cut our agreement and everyone >> else here to find a new fiscal sponsor. >> > > From what I know (correct me if I'm wrong) although these ideas > were discussed in private they were never implemented nor is there > currently a plan to implement them. Therefore, what is their sin? I > don't think that discussing ideas (or even elaborating them) in > private is a bad thing. Now, if they would like to implement any of > these then it should be up to the community as a whole where the > community is concerned. That is, actions should be transparent, but > ideas can be private since they have no real effect until they are > put into action. > > I do see, however, the issue with fiscal policy of Parabola. My > personal suggestion is that since Parabola aims to be a community > oriented project (afaik) I suggest full transparency. This is > something I've done while taking part in a local political party > that aimed to be directly democratic and it worked rather well, as > it functions as a trustless system where even if you do not trust > the person in charge of finances you can keep an eye on their > activities with respect to finances. This forces said person to > also be more cautious about how they handle things and allows for > anyone to publicly bring up any issues that they see with how > things are being handled and for them to be discussed by the > community as a whole. For this it would be wise to put a link to a > GnuCash file on the Parabola website where one can easily find > this information. > >>> It is not necessary to say names, we have collected evidence so >>> we can prove what I'm saying is true. Please read the >>> attachment, there are the names and emails they've sent to the >>> mailing list. >> >> this is a bogus claim. your corpus is full of names of people >> that have called your bullshit. >> >>> After all of this, André Silva left the decision of his >>> expulsion to the community[1], and many devs and users are on >>> his favor. So we ask >> >> /devs and users/his friends/ >> > > I am not his friend, I know Emulatorman very little, however from > the little I have known him, I have seen him doing quite a bit of > work for this project, and that he is a very valuable person for > this community. > >>> you, please, help us with a wise suggestion or with the >>> decision you consider correct and propose it to the community. >>> From my personal point of view, I think a disclaimer or sth. >>> similar (code of conduct, community rules, etc) has to be >>> created, there is none afaik, perhaps that's sth. you can >>> recommend?. >> >> we do have community rules: we have an open list and everything >> was always brought here to consensus. >> > > When it comes to community rules I am always very cautious and > skeptical, as they tend to have the opposite effect that they are > aiming for (especially Codes of Conduct). Policy is one thing, but > the behaviour of each individual is something completely separate > and (as I see it) non-related. > > > > _______________________________________________ Dev mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev > - -- SIP: [email protected] XMPP: [email protected] Kontalk: +56 9 5630 2363 Tox: EF62A7ABCFADD97088FFE925A2F17F0711B49CAC155871B9823A9E9D0D4F9A38077AB0FA 3791 GNUSocial: @[email protected] Diaspora*: David P. 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