I can’t agree to that. See https://spring.io/blog/2015/04/01/ongoing-support-for-java-7-and-even-java-6 <https://spring.io/blog/2015/04/01/ongoing-support-for-java-7-and-even-java-6> for Spring’s perspective on this. Log4j is such a fundamental framework that, while we need to support new features in the latest JDK, we also need to continue to support older Java releases for as long as is reasonable. I know a few of you would always like to be on more current JDKs, but I have worked in environments that are very slow to upgrade. In fact, we just got a question from someone who is still on 2.2 because they are stuck on Java 6.
That said, I am all for discussing what a reasonable timeframe is. I don’t think 2022 makes any more sense than dropping support in July. Whatever we decide we should give users at least 6 months notice. Ralph > On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Roadmap wise, I think dropping support for Java 7 when Java 9 comes out > might make sense, though that also depends on where we are release-wise at > the time. In the meantime, modularizing the core more and breaking into > more subprojects may help find any desires for a semantically breaking > change for version 3. I don't really see that happening with the API, and > I'm not so sure how important it'd be in Core, though they could be > versioned separately in theory. > > On 19 April 2017 at 12:59, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> >> wrote: >> >>> I have no idea what your versions are, but 2.9 is going to contain the >>> first support for Java 9, but it will continue to support Java 7. I am >>> assuming your numbering scheme is about what version ONLY supports a >>> particular Java release? I am not in favor of that. With semantic >>> versioning the number should only change when the API changes. Just as >> we >>> did when we moved from Java 6 to Java 7 we don’t have to increment the >>> project version number. >>> >>> >> Yeah, that's why I said I was not in love with the version proposal. What I >> am really after is a road-map to give our users an idea of what to expect. >> I suspect a wiki page might be best for that. >> >> >>> I am not worried about hanging on to Java 7 “too long”, so long as we >>> continue to find ways to support new Java features. >>> >>> I suspect you still have not looked at my branch “java9NoMultiRelease”. I >>> have been planning on merging that to master but just haven’t find the >>> time. If you want to evaluate it before I merge it I suggest again that >> you >>> have a look. At the moment it only supports StackWalker but it allows us >>> to start implementing support for Java modules and other Java 9 features. >>> >> >> You are correct, I have not looked. >> >> Gary >> >> >>> >>> Ralph >>> >>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> I like projects that have a road-map page. It can be vague or precise. >>> But >>>> we should at least discuss it here. I am bringing this up partly in >> light >>>> of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-1883 >>>> >>>> How about: >>>> >>>> v 2.x - Java 7 >>>> v 3.x - Java 8 >>>> v 4.x - Java 9 >>>> >>>> Is that too weird? I am not in love with it either. >>>> >>>> I am just concerned that: >>>> >>>> - We might hang on to Java 7 a little too long. >>>> - We are missing on getting into Java 8. I feel like we are. 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