I also have a feeling that we focus too much on Java 9 and not enough on Java 8.
On Thu, Apr 20, 2017 at 5:08 AM, Remko Popma <remko.po...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with Ralph that there are many environments that can't upgrade > their Java version but still want to use the nice features Log4j2 offers. > I've also worked in such environments. I would prefer to support older > versions as long as possible. (What that means concretely is open for > discussion.) :-) > > Remko > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Apr 20, 2017, at 11:32, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I just want a plan for when we upgrade. Log4j is such low level code that > > it's not a big deal to me for using Java 8 syntax. I'm mostly interested > in > > supporting the v8 APIs, and Spring has an interesting way of doing that. > > > > On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 18:01, Ralph Goers <ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > > wrote: > > > >> I can’t agree to that. See > >> https://spring.io/blog/2015/04/01/ongoing-support-for- > java-7-and-even-java-6 > >> < > >> https://spring.io/blog/2015/04/01/ongoing-support-for- > java-7-and-even-java-6> > >> for Spring’s perspective on this. Log4j is such a fundamental framework > >> that, while we need to support new features in the latest JDK, we also > need > >> to continue to support older Java releases for as long as is > reasonable. I > >> know a few of you would always like to be on more current JDKs, but I > have > >> worked in environments that are very slow to upgrade. In fact, we just > got > >> a question from someone who is still on 2.2 because they are stuck on > Java > >> 6. > >> > >> That said, I am all for discussing what a reasonable timeframe is. I > don’t > >> think 2022 makes any more sense than dropping support in July. Whatever > we > >> decide we should give users at least 6 months notice. > >> > >> Ralph > >> > >>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 5:18 PM, Matt Sicker <boa...@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> > >>> Roadmap wise, I think dropping support for Java 7 when Java 9 comes out > >>> might make sense, though that also depends on where we are release-wise > >> at > >>> the time. In the meantime, modularizing the core more and breaking into > >>> more subprojects may help find any desires for a semantically breaking > >>> change for version 3. I don't really see that happening with the API, > and > >>> I'm not so sure how important it'd be in Core, though they could be > >>> versioned separately in theory. > >>> > >>>> On 19 April 2017 at 12:59, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> On Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Ralph Goers < > >> ralph.go...@dslextreme.com> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I have no idea what your versions are, but 2.9 is going to contain > the > >>>>> first support for Java 9, but it will continue to support Java 7. I > am > >>>>> assuming your numbering scheme is about what version ONLY supports a > >>>>> particular Java release? I am not in favor of that. With semantic > >>>>> versioning the number should only change when the API changes. Just > as > >>>> we > >>>>> did when we moved from Java 6 to Java 7 we don’t have to increment > the > >>>>> project version number. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>> Yeah, that's why I said I was not in love with the version proposal. > >> What I > >>>> am really after is a road-map to give our users an idea of what to > >> expect. > >>>> I suspect a wiki page might be best for that. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> I am not worried about hanging on to Java 7 “too long”, so long as we > >>>>> continue to find ways to support new Java features. > >>>>> > >>>>> I suspect you still have not looked at my branch > >> “java9NoMultiRelease”. I > >>>>> have been planning on merging that to master but just haven’t find > the > >>>>> time. If you want to evaluate it before I merge it I suggest again > that > >>>> you > >>>>> have a look. At the moment it only supports StackWalker but it > allows > >> us > >>>>> to start implementing support for Java modules and other Java 9 > >> features. > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> You are correct, I have not looked. > >>>> > >>>> Gary > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Ralph > >>>>> > >>>>>> On Apr 19, 2017, at 10:12 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Hi All, > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I like projects that have a road-map page. It can be vague or > precise. > >>>>> But > >>>>>> we should at least discuss it here. I am bringing this up partly in > >>>> light > >>>>>> of https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-1883 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How about: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> v 2.x - Java 7 > >>>>>> v 3.x - Java 8 > >>>>>> v 4.x - Java 9 > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Is that too weird? I am not in love with it either. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I am just concerned that: > >>>>>> > >>>>>> - We might hang on to Java 7 a little too long. > >>>>>> - We are missing on getting into Java 8. I feel like we are. 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