It's a distinction we make over at Commons IIRC.

Gary

On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 10:04 PM, Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote:

>
> We have not made clear to users (on our website or anywhere) that they are
> expected to use the mailing list for some types of communications and JIRA
> for other communications. If that’s ignorance then I’m ignorant too.
>
> We have no rule that I’m aware of that questions cannot be asked on JIRA
> but must be asked on the mailing list and I would be strongly opposed to
> instituting such a rule.
>
> I honestly don’t understand what problem will be prevented by making this
> separation. What do you mean clog up the system?
>
> Users contact us when they have a genuine problem. If we don’t have time
> to help them that’s fine but rejecting their attempt to reach out because
> they essentially “filled out the wrong form” is unnecessary in my opinion.
>
> Remko
>
> > On May 9, 2018, at 8:46, Gary Gregory <[email protected]> wrote:
> >
> > I think that is a wrong view of how to use Jira. I imagine that people
> post
> > to Jira either out of ignorance, or for not wanting to subscribe to a
> > mailing list before posting.
> >
> > I see Jira first as a bug tracking system and second as a project
> > management tool. Using Jira to answer user queries will just clog up the
> > system.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >> On Tue, May 8, 2018, 17:09 Remko Popma <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Gary, why did you close that ticket?
> >>
> >> This is a valid technical question about log4j 2, and I see absolutely
> >> nothing wrong with using the log4j 2 JIRA for it. The JIRA notifications
> >> are captured on the mailing list, fulfilling the Apache requirements.
> >>
> >> Our web site gives no indication whatsoever that certain channels would
> be
> >> the wrong channel to ask questions or raise problems.
> >>
> >> I would encourage all contributors to take a very inclusive view on
> >> communications with users, users are often not experts after all.
> >>
> >> Thoughts?
> >>
> >> Remko
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> On May 9, 2018, at 2:42, Gary Gregory (JIRA) <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>    [
> >> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-2337?page=
> com.atlassian.jira.plugin.system.issuetabpanels:all-tabpanel
> >> ]
> >>>
> >>> Gary Gregory closed LOG4J2-2337.
> >>> --------------------------------
> >>>   Resolution: Invalid
> >>>
> >>> Hello,
> >>>
> >>> Jira is not a support forum. Please ask your question on the user's
> >> mailing list: https://logging.apache.org/log4j/2.x/mail-lists.html
> >>>
> >>>> JSONLayout printing \r at end of line
> >>>> -------------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>               Key: LOG4J2-2337
> >>>>               URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LOG4J2-2337
> >>>>           Project: Log4j 2
> >>>>        Issue Type: Bug
> >>>>       Environment: Server run on Unix environment.
> >>>>          Reporter: Arvind Sahare
> >>>>          Priority: Major
> >>>>
> >>>> Log4j JSONLayout with eventEol="true", prints '\r' at end of log.
> >>>> Example:- \{"key":"value", "key":"value"}\r
> >>>>
> >>>> Problem - Currently we are using Splunk for log analysis, which is not
> >> able to render Log string as JSON, due to \r getting printed. Can we
> avoid
> >> it getting printed?
> >>>
> >>>
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