The Logging Services project is an “umbrella” project that manages all the 
logging projects, including Log4j 1.x. 
We would not be in favor of having Log4j 1.x become a new standalone PMC. 

But yes, any Logging Services PMC member can veto a code change in any of the 
sub-projects. 
I don’t know that it has ever happened.

Ralph

> On Dec 19, 2021, at 2:13 PM, Vladimir Sitnikov <sitnikov.vladi...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
>> All new ASF projects go through the incubator. Sub-projects don’t have to
> but when an entirely new community is being
> 
> I'm a member of PMC Calcite and JMeter, however, I have not submitted
> projects to the incubator yet.
> 
>> Once graduated the podling
> PMC members would become part of the Logging Services PMC.
> 
> Does that mean the current members of Logging Services PMC could veto code
> changes in the "new" log4j1?
> That sounds strange, and it defeats the reason to re-establish the new set
> of PMC members for log4j 1.x
> 
> Vladimir

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