There is a difference between a JEE application that only uses servlets vs one 
that uses EJBs. At a former employer we often used JBoss to run servlets even 
though we had no EJBs. In an environment with EJBs I am not sure how you can 
distinguish the various components from each other without JNDI.

Ralph

> On Oct 31, 2023, at 3:12 PM, Volkan Yazıcı <vol...@yazi.ci> wrote:
> 
> Piotr, I think it is important to differentiate what is a requirement and
> what is just another way of achieving something. My employer has several
> Tomcat- and JBoss-based JEE applications (using Log4j) and we don't have a
> single JNDI usage I know of.
> 
> I would like to hear "the functional need" that can't be done in a JEE
> application without JNDI. My emphasis is important, since "using JNDI" is
> not a functional need.
> 
> On Tue, Oct 31, 2023 at 10:55 PM Piotr P. Karwasz <piotr.karw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christian,
>> 
>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 at 21:57, Christian Grobmeier <grobme...@apache.org>
>> wrote:
>>> I am surprised we still have JNDI in the code at all, but this made me
>> curious:
>>> why do JEE users need JNDI features for logging? Why can't they just use
>> the normal log mechanism?
>> 
>> JNDI is basically a bean container/factory that allows Java EE
>> applications to retrieve database connection pools, message queues or
>> mail sessions (and remote code as a bonus).
>> For the JMS appender, JNDI is essential.
>> For the JDBC appender there is an alternative: DBCP2 can provide a
>> database connection pool via a special connection string.
>> The SMTP appender does not use JNDI as far as I remember.
>> 
>> Of course there is an alternative to JNDI also in the Java EE world
>> (CDI), but it doesn't work with simple servlet containers like Tomcat.
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 

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