I thought gitbox was still an alternative to having to use GitHub to submit 
PRs. That said, it wouldn’t be for discussions, etc.

Ralph

> On Aug 14, 2024, at 3:31 AM, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I think that to "deactivate" the mailing lists you refer to would be very
> bad and might not even be allowed by Apache.
> 
> You cannot/shouldn't force people to create a GitHub (Microsoft) account
> just to talk to us.
> 
> Odd as it sounds, I've had someone told me they would not submit a PR
> because they did not want to create a GH account. It feels
> counterproductive from my POV not to submit PRs but it shouldn't lock
> people out.
> 
> There might also be parts of the world where GH is not available but Apache
> servers are (more of a geopolitical issue).
> 
> Gary
> 
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2024, 3:43 AM Piotr P. Karwasz <piotr.karw...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Gary,
>> 
>> On Fri, 9 Aug 2024 at 12:15, Gary Gregory <garydgreg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> While it is a different community, I have received negative feedback in
>>> Commons against the trend to spread information all over the place, and
>> we
>>> don't use GitHub.
>>> 
>>> The TLDR is that in the past it was easier to find information because
>> you
>>> only had the mailing list and later Jira. Now you have multiple mailing
>>> lists, Jira, emails from GitHub, plus discussions in GitHub PRs, plus
>>> Slack. Adding to the list is GitHub issues...
>> 
>> Might I propose a split of concerns between GH Discussions and the
>> mailing lists:
>> 
>> * We use GH Discussions as a replacement for `log4j-user`,
>> `log4net-user`, `log4cxx-user`. Two of these mailing lists are dead
>> anyway, since subscribing to a ML for a one-off question is a hustle.
>> * We use `dev@logging` as always for reaching consensus and decisions
>> concerning the directions we choose for development.
>> 
>> BTW: Can we deactivate all the mailing lists except `dev`, `private`
>> and `security`?
>> 
>> Piotr
>> 

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