Ah..   The mythical committer just sitting around waiting to be “interested in 
the issue” that you have created!   Having said that, I think thats a separate 
challenge!


> On Sep 17, 2019, at 12:38 AM, David Smiley <david.w.smi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 to all that Gus said.  On a fresh project then indeed perhaps we would use 
> GitHub issues but it's not nearly so compelling at this point with so much 
> rich history in JIRA, not to mention those issues being referenced in commit 
> messages.
> 
> Is the point to lower barriers for contributors that are not in our community 
> yet (thus don't have an ASF JIRA account)?  Well... they don't *have* to 
> create the JIRA issue if a committer is sufficiently interested in the issue 
> at hand to do it.  And as mentioned this could be automated.
> 
> ~ David Smiley
> Apache Lucene/Solr Search Developer
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley 
> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwsmiley>
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 6:27 PM Gus Heck <gus.h...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:gus.h...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> FWIW, One thing that needs to be figured out is how github would accommodate 
> security issues (or how the process for those issues would change).  Does 
> github have the ability to assign roles and visibility (could be I haven't 
> really worked with organizations on GitHub, all my clients have been on jira 
> ... except the one that has trello, and another with gitlab... neither of 
> which have impressed me very much )?
> 
> Additionally, I'm slightly leery of the move since I don't (yet) see the real 
> benefit that pays for the splitting of the records into two systems. Can 
> issues be migrated to github? I've not really been on a large project that 
> used only GitHub, can someone explain what we *gain* by moving to GitHub 
> issues. At least two things are lost: continuity and familiarity. My 
> impression is that there are a lot fewer features, but maybe I've just not 
> been exposed to them. 
> 
> Part of me worries that this is the usual cycle of "this is simpler" (mass 
> migration ensues) "but it doesn't x, y and z" (x, y and z are added) "wow 
> this is complex, but THAT is simpler...." (mass migration ensues...) "hmm p, 
> q an z are missing" (p q and z are added  and cycle repeats). So I'm 
> skeptical of any "gain" hanging it's hat solely on "simplicity". Jira used to 
> be the simpler, snazzier, sexier alternative to bugzilla...
> 
> Sell me, I'm all ears, but not seeing it yet :)
> 
> -Gus
> 
> On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 3:57 PM Jan Høydahl <jan....@cominvent.com 
> <mailto:jan....@cominvent.com>> wrote:
> Is there any reason at all that we need to hold on to JIRA? ASF allows us to 
> move all issue handling over to GH, I'd like us to consider such a move.
> 
> Until then, I made a script that "diffs" GH and JIRA and outputs a report, 
> see 
> https://github.com/apache/lucene-solr/tree/master/dev-tools/scripts#githubprspy
>  
> <https://github.com/apache/lucene-solr/tree/master/dev-tools/scripts#githubprspy>
> 
> Running the tool shows that we're not very successful in keeping the two in 
> sync, we also forget to close PRs after JIRAs are resolved:
> 
> $ ./githubPRs.py 
> Lucene/Solr Github PR report
> ============================
> Number of open Pull Requests: 208
> 
> PRs lacking JIRA reference in title
>   #882: Add versions.lock entry for "org.apache.yetus:audience-annotations"
>   #880: Tweak header format.
>   [… many more ]
> 
> Open PRs with a resolved JIRA
>   #723: SOLR-13545 status=Closed, resolution=Fixed, 
> resolutiondate=2019-06-22T13:04:47.000+0000 (SOLR-13545: AutoClose stream in 
> ContentStreamUpdateRequest)
>   #643: SOLR-13391 status=Resolved, resolution=Resolved, 
> resolutiondate=2019-04-12T14:09:27.000+0000 (SOLR-13391: Add variance and 
> standard deviation stream evaluators)
>   [… many more]
> 
> --
> Jan Høydahl, search solution architect
> Cominvent AS - www.cominvent.com <http://www.cominvent.com/>
> 
>> 16. sep. 2019 kl. 20:57 skrev Andrzej Białecki <a...@getopt.org 
>> <mailto:a...@getopt.org>>:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Sep 2019, at 19:38, Yonik Seeley <ysee...@gmail.com 
>>> <mailto:ysee...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> >  - PR is opened - should automatically create a jira if it doesn’t exist 
>>> > yet
>>> 
>>> What were the reasons behind this? Shouldn't a JIRA just be optional if we 
>>> started with a PR?
>> 
>> That’s why we need to discuss this :)
>> 
>> I remember that at some point ASF treated JIRA as the system of record for 
>> the legal validation of contributions.
>> 
>> I also remember that at some point we used to say that if a discussion 
>> didn’t happen in JIRA then it didn’t exist, and that any decisions regarding 
>> code should be recorded in JIRA because we can’t expect people to monitor 
>> and contribute / object to decisions happening elsewhere.
>> 
>> —
>> 
>> Andrzej Białecki
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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