I think that is a little over the top. As it is the majority of dev and pr's and action is moving to GitHub, whether anyone is from Syria or not.
If we decided, like most other communities on Gods green earth, to tell our community we are going GitHub first it and expect committers to not avoid all of our checks by just sticking to patches, the practical differences don't have to be much beyond that. Apache GitBox is not going away, it's easy to clearly spell out that those without access to GitHub can provide a patch as we would allow any committer without access or moral quandaries the same obviously. Making how to contribute a patch and use JIRA alternate doc for those with GitHub issues is pretty low effort. JIRA is a little different, I'm not as sold on leaving it, but really it's the same thing if almost all of the dev community starts using it for the bulk of what would be in JIRA, already lots of JIRA related comments and review have gone there - most stuff is just split instead of "free and available" - GitHub is lacking, JIRA is lacking. Given that every damn company and project is on GitHub, this is just the way it will continue to go. So leaving JIRA up for history and those without access to GitHub would be the same too. And if M$ does anything with GitHub, the universe will collectively move on, with 90% of the world in the same spot. Great opportunity will emerge if that happens. Join me in a startup :) It sounds great to be like, freedom, TOS and "Sad!" but practically it's all meaningless. This is happening and will happen. Like I once said Git was inevitable and just shut up until it came, this is the same. "Us" as a community deciding to embrace it just means 3-4 old curmudgeons in a year won't as likely still be holding onto old ways for the sake of a imagined victim. Anyone that doesn't want to accept the GitHub TOS would get the same deal as someone from Siria. They will get the same 2nd citizen experience they are currently enjoying and that will continue to grow. And whatever you say or whatever the day, the practical difference of what happens will be zilch except for one thing: some people will feel better about bucking the community even if they are not from Syria or morally against the GitHub TOS. I'm a big fan of the kicking of screaming way, but generally only in my personal life. Professionally, I like to embrace the practical. On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 4:59 PM Anshum Gupta <ans...@anshumgupta.net> wrote: > Ok, I buy that reason for leaving the ASF controlled mechanism. > > On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:16 PM Chris Hostetter <hossman_luc...@fucit.org> > wrote: > >> >> : Is there any reason at all that we need to hold on to JIRA? ASF allows >> : us to move all issue handling over to GH, I'd like us to consider such >> a >> : move. >> >> In my opinion, migrating from JIRA to Github "issues" would be a terrible >> idea. >> >> I have no objections to the goal of "encouraging" and "facilitating" >> contributions via github from people already using github -- but making >> github the defacto (or *sole*) way to participate and contribute code >> means pressuring people into accepting the github TOS (not just >> now, but whatever those might be in the future) as well as making it >> virtually impossible for people to participate if they are in locations >> github has decided to block (ie: Iran, Syria, and Crimea ATM + whomever >> else the US decides to sanction down the road) >> >> Opening up, or expanding, pathways for participation is one thing -- >> I'm all in favor of that (even if I personally can't stand those avenues). >> >> But *closing* existing path ways that are currently entirely "open" and >> "free" to anyone that wants to participate w/o any limitations or TOS >> other then "Provide an ASF controled and owned website with an email >> address" ... that's just sad. >> >> >> -Hoss >> http://www.lucidworks.com/ >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@lucene.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@lucene.apache.org >> >> > > -- > Anshum Gupta > -- - Mark http://about.me/markrmiller
