Hi Uwe,

Thanks for taking the time out of your Easter break to respond. I've
created the following Jira tickets for preparatory tasks:

LUCENE-9317 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9317> Resolve
package name conflicts for StandardAnalyzer to allow Java module system
support
LUCENE-9318 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9318> Fix Codec
API to not rely on package-private classes as part of changes to support
java module system
LUCENE-9319 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9319> Clean up
Sandbox project by retiring/delete functionality or move it to Lucene core

I've also created the following for adding module-info.java:

LUCENE-9320 <https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9320> Enable
support the Java module system by adding module-info to projects

I've checked out the master branch and starting to look at setting up the
development environment using Gradle to see if I can assist with a few
items. I notice Gradle hasn't been set up for Eclipse yet (maybe something
I can help with). My first roadblock to getting setup is understanding the
cyclic dependencies between core, codecs and the test-framework. Given IRC
is not really used from what I can see, and the slack channel is private to
people with @apache.org emails. Is there any good place to get basic help
on getting started with the codebase without spamming this email list?

Thanks,
David.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 9:14 PM Uwe Schindler <u...@thetaphi.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am currently on Easter vacation, but just wanted to give some feedback:
>
> They wy you are doing it works at the moment, because you don’t have
> anything to do with service providers. You don’t use custom codecs (outside
> lucene-core.jar) and you just ignored the META-IF/services folder. Your
> example works, as Lucene finds everything that is needed in the core.jar,
> so the “legacy” service loading works (lucene-core.jar find its own
> services in lucene-core.jar). As soon as you would add
> lucene-backwards-codecs.jar, it would break unfixable, unless you copy the
> whole backwards codecs into core. This is completely unfixable in Lucene
> 8.x, as the new service-loader interface requires Java 9+.
>
>
>
> But you may not yet have noticed that I already started to do preparatory
> work and migrated in master (Lucene 9.0) the service provider to use the
> Java Runtime classes and we have thrown away our own service loader (which
> cannot cross module boundaries). The fix was merged not long ago:
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9281 - this cannot be
> backported to Java 8 / Lucene 8, as the reason for the home-made
> SPIClassIterator was exactly the missing features (and some classpath
> ordering issues in 3rd party JVMs like IBM J9). Those issues are fixed in
> Java 11 (also allowing to instantiate the classes on your own). When you
> are testing your “hack patch” with Lucene’s master branch you may succeed
> with also loading classes from the backwards codecs – no guarantees yet!)
>
>
>
> About StandardAnalyzer: Unfortunately I aggressively complained a while
> back when Mike McCandless wanted to move standard analyzer out of the
> analysis package into core (“for convenience”). This was a bad step, and
> IMHO we should revert that or completely rename the packages and
> everything. The problem here is: As the analysis services are only part of
> lucene-analyzers, we had to leave the factory classes there, but move the
> implementation classes in core. The package has to be the same. The only
> way around that is to move the analysis factory framework also to core (I
> would not be against that). This would include all factory base classes and
> the service loading stuff. Then we can move standard analyzer and some of
> the filters/tokenizers including their factories to core an that problem
> would be solved.
>
>
>
> My plan to move to modules is the following:
>
>
>
> (1) Do preparatory work:
>
>    - Retire SPIClassIterator (DONE).
>    - Add some preparatory issues to cleanup class hierarchy: Move
>    Analysis SPI to core / remove StandardAnalyzer and related classes out of
>    core back to anaysis
>    - Fix Codec API to no rely on package-private classes, so we can have
>    a completely public API with abstract classes for codecs, so stuff in
>    backwards-codecs does not need to have access to package private stuff in
>    core.
>    - Cleanup sandbox to prefix all classes there with “sandbox” package
>    and where needed remove package-private access. If it’s needed for internal
>    access, WTF: Just move the stuff to core! We have a new version 9.0, so
>    either retire/delete Sandbox stuff or make it part of Lucene core.
>
> (2) Wait for the Gradle Build to be finalized, because including Module
> stuff into the current Ant build won’t work
>
>    - Ant build must be retired!
>
> (3) Make Lucene real modules
>
>    - As we are on Java 11 already, add module-info.java everywhere
>    - Fix gradle build to create and test modules (Latest Gradle needed)
>    - Migrate all META-INF/services/* to module-info.java (before doing
>    this, figure out of the META-INF files must stays for non-module usage, or
>    if Java is clever enough to also look into module descriptor to find
>    services). We may need all services at both locations (for module or
>    classpath usage; we need a build helper to check that it’s in-line)
>
>
>
> I don’t want Lucene work with automodules in Java 11, it should be fully
> modularized.
>
>
>
> If you want to help and express interest: Please open an issue for the
> preparatory work listing the cases of same-package in different jar files.
> I would split this up as described above: Analysis issues with
> standardanalyzer, codecs pkg-private apis, sandbox.
>
>
>
> Uwe
>
>
>
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>
> Uwe Schindler
>
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>
> https://www.thetaphi.de
>
> eMail: u...@thetaphi.de
>
>
>
> *From:* David Ryan <da...@livemedia.com.au>
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 9:30 AM
> *To:* dev@lucene.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Lucene 9.0 Java module system support
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks, I had probably missed some of what Uwe was saying in regards to
> the limitation of what would be possible even if the suggested changes were
> made. Given your points and the fact that it would take a while to have any
> of the changes filter into a release version, I decided to develop a
> patch-lucene.sh script to validate if the changes would allow me to access
> the required parts of Lucene.  While it may not provide the full
> functionality provided by SPI including analysis chains and codecs, I
> worked out it will allow the use of the basics.
>
>
>
> The patch script below adds Automatic module names to the four Lucene
> libraries I needed (not strictly required, but I was interested to check if
> it would work).  For now, any duplicate packages I identified have been
> moved into the core library (as identified in suggested changes). Given,
> I'm not using the SPI functionality, I simply deleted the standard
> analysers from the services list (required or the module system complains
> they are missing).  Thankfully Gradle doesn't validate jars in the cache so
> the patch script only needs to be run once.
>
>
>
> Once the patch script was applied, I was able to use Ngram analysers and
> the query parser without issue. This will provide the essentials of what we
> needed for an embedded solution (location indexing, short text indexing
> with ngrams tokenizer and lower case filter, searching by location with
> nearest, bounding box and radius search, and partial text searches using
> the query parser). Of course, I've only scratched the surface of the APIs
> and right now it isn't clear if/when the SPI functionality might cause
> further issues or be required.
>
>
>
> So, I've validated that the suggested changes would allow basic
> functionality to work under the Java module system. If there's anything
> else I can do to help progress the suggested changes please let me know.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> David.
>
>
>
>
>
> --------- patch-lucene.sh -- works on osx ------
>
> mkdir -p patch-lucene/core
> mkdir -p patch-lucene/analyzers
> mkdir -p patch-lucene/sandbox
> mkdir -p patch-lucene/queryparser
> cd patch-lucene
>
> # copy the jars from the gradle cache.
> cp
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-core/8.5.0/3f9ea85fff4fc3f7c83869dddb9b0ef7818c0cae/lucene-core-8.5.0.jar
> .
> cp
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-analyzers-common/8.5.0/7156f2e545fd6e7faaee4781d15eb60cf5f07646/lucene-analyzers-common-8.5.0.jar
> .
> cp
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-sandbox/8.5.0/2b275921f2fd92b15b4f1a2a565467c3fa221ef9/lucene-sandbox-8.5.0.jar
> .
> cp
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-queryparser/8.5.0/13c38f39b1a7d10c4749ba789fa95da5868d4885/lucene-queryparser-8.5.0.jar
> .
>
> # Add automatic module name to core.
> cd core
> jar -xf ../lucene-core-8.5.0.jar
> sed -i '' -e '/Created-By:/a\'$'\n''Automatic-Module-Name:
> org.apache.lucene.core'$'\n' META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
>
> # Add automiatc module name, move standard analysis classes into core.
> Remove any classes in standard from service lists.
> cd ../analyzers
> jar -xf ../lucene-analyzers-common-8.5.0.jar
> sed -i '' -e '/Created-By:/a\'$'\n''Automatic-Module-Name:
> org.apache.lucene.analyzers.common'$'\n' META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
> sed -i '' -e '/standard/d' META-INF/services/*
> mv org/apache/lucene/analysis/standard/*
> ../core/org/apache/lucene/analysis/standard
> rmdir org/apache/lucene/analysis/standard
> jar -cfm ../lucene-analyzers-common-8.5.0-fix.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF .
>
> # Add automatic module name, move search and document packages into core.
> move Java 9 specific search into core.
> cd ../sandbox
> jar -xf ../lucene-sandbox-8.5.0.jar
> sed -i '' -e '/Created-By:/a\'$'\n''Automatic-Module-Name:
> org.apache.lucene.sandbox'$'\n' META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
> mv org/apache/lucene/search/* ../core/org/apache/lucene/search
> rmdir org/apache/lucene/search
> mv org/apache/lucene/document/* ../core/org/apache/lucene/document
> rmdir org/apache/lucene/document
> mv META-INF/versions/9/org/apache/lucene/search/*
> ../core/META-INF/versions/9/org/apache/lucene/search
> rm -rf META-INF/versions
> jar -cfm ../lucene-sandbox-8.5.0-fix.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF .
>
> # Package up core with changes.
> cd ../core
> jar -cfm ../lucene-core-8.5.0-fix.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF .
>
> # Add automatic module name.
> cd ../queryparser
> jar -xf ../lucene-queryparser-8.5.0.jar
> sed -i '' -e '/Created-By:/a\'$'\n''Automatic-Module-Name:
> org.apache.lucene.queryparser'$'\n' META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
> jar -cfm ../lucene-queryparser-8.5.0-fix.jar META-INF/MANIFEST.MF .
>
> # Copy the fixed versions back into gradle cache.
> cd ..
> cp lucene-core-8.5.0-fix.jar
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-core/8.5.0/3f9ea85fff4fc3f7c83869dddb9b0ef7818c0cae/lucene-core-8.5.0.jar
> cp lucene-analyzers-common-8.5.0-fix.jar
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-analyzers-common/8.5.0/7156f2e545fd6e7faaee4781d15eb60cf5f07646/lucene-analyzers-common-8.5.0.jar
> cp lucene-sandbox-8.5.0-fix.jar
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-sandbox/8.5.0/2b275921f2fd92b15b4f1a2a565467c3fa221ef9/lucene-sandbox-8.5.0.jar
> cp lucene-queryparser-8.5.0-fix.jar
> ~/.gradle/caches/modules-2/files-2.1/org.apache.lucene/lucene-queryparser/8.5.0/13c38f39b1a7d10c4749ba789fa95da5868d4885/lucene-queryparser-8.5.0.jar
>
> ------------
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 11:21 AM Chris Hostetter <hossman_luc...@fucit.org>
> wrote:
>
>
> : If the changes I proposed are still viewed as having too many downstream
> : impacts, my fallback position will be to patch the jars. This involves
> : using the gradle import system to get the jars from Maven, then using a
> : patch script to manually unzip the jars, move the offending classes into
> : other jars which share the same package name and rezip. So far, I've been
>
> I'm no expert here, but i trust that Uwe is, and i feel like your followup
> questions/suggests have still avoided his primary point about *why*
> Lucene/Solr hasn't attempted jigsaw modulariation...
>
> : >>> There is currently some preparatory things to move forward with
> modules,
> : >>> so although you might be able to actually compile Lucene with module
> system
> : >>> (by limiting to a subset of JAR files), it currently won’t work
> : >>> cross-module due to the way how it handles ServiceLoader interfaces
> : >>> (codecs, postings formats, analyzers, see
> : >>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LUCENE-9281). The only way to
> : >>> make it work at runtime is to put all of Lucene into one module.
>
> ...so, IIUC, even if you patch the *current* jars, any Lucene code you use
> that depends on SPI (like analysis chains, codecs, etc...) isn't going to
> work unless follow Uwe's primary suggestion for folks who care about
> modules...
>
> : >>> Th general recommendation is to combine all required Lucene libraries
> : >>> into a separate JAR file during the maven / gradle build (e.g. using
> the
> : >>> Maven Shade plugin). Keep in mind that Lucene is also not suitable
> for use
>
>
> -Hoss
> http://www.lucidworks.com/
>
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