Why are you debating this here? Isn't there a PMC place to discuss topics with 
the main PMC members?

Bill Bell
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On Apr 27, 2012, at 7:24 PM, Steven A Rowe <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Benson,
> 
> On 4/27/2012 at 8:36 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Steven A Rowe <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> On 4/27/2012 at 9:10 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> 1: Should the Lucene PMC publish maven artifacts at all?
>>>> 
>>>> - There seems to remain a consensus of the community: "Yes".
>>> 
>>> Not really: consensus means unanimous agreement.
>> 
>> No, consensus means no one chooses to block consensus. And since
>> Maven is in place, it would take a decision by consensus to remove
>> it.
> 
> According to <http://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html>, procedural votes 
> require majority approval, not concensus.  
> 
> But maybe you're referring to the code change vote procedure, which allows a 
> single PMC member to veto code changes?  IMHO, Maven support in Lucene/Solr 
> doesn't qualify as code.  (Simple test: does Maven support - the POMs - ship 
> with the source releases?  The answer is no.)
> 
>> Much email has been sent on the premise that Maven specially
>> and uniquely raises certain IP and policy issues. It doesn't.
>> It does offer some constraints and opportunities for coping
>> with these issues.
> 
> AFAICT, Lucene/Solr completely complies with ASF policies, and will continue 
> to do so - this is a requirement for the continued existence of the project 
> under ASF governance.
> 
> By contrast, Maven's "offered constraints", including its separate publishing 
> platform, present challenges that need to be addressed separately, at a cost 
> that the project is not required to bear.  The nature of those challenges 
> (IP/policy/whatever) is IMHO immaterial.
> 
>> However, if I'm not being helpful, and it seems that I'm not, I'll return to 
>> lurking.
> 
> I value your opinions even though I may not always share them.  And I 
> certainly welcome your assistance in meeting the challenges of keeping Maven 
> in-house here.
> 
> Steve
> 
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