I guess we might have different interpretation of a backend. So just to avoid 
any confusion in my world (coming from accelerating applications on GPUs) the 
backends would be CUDA, OpenCL, OpenMP and JVM. I think it definitely makes 
sense to advertise GPU support on the front page, along with JVM and/or OpenMP 
for CPUs. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Suneel Marthi [mailto:smar...@apache.org] 
Sent: Friday, March 24, 2017 11:13 AM
To: mahout <dev@mahout.apache.org>
Cc: u...@mahout.apache.org
Subject: Re: Marketing

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:09 PM, Dmitriy Lyubimov <dlie...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 8:27 AM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com> wrote:
>
> > The multiple backend support is such a waste of time IMO. The DSL 
> > and GPU support is super important and should be made even more 
> > distributed. The current (as I understand it) single threaded GPU 
> > per VM is only the first step in what will make Mahout important for a long 
> > time to come.
> >
>
> This seems self contradicting a bit. Multiple backends is the only 
> thing that remedies it for me. By that i mean both distributed (i/o) 
> backends and the in-memory.
>
> Good CPU and GPU plugins will be important, as well as communication 
> layer alternatives to spark. Spark is not working out well for 
> interconnected problems, and H20 and Flink, well, I'd just forget 
> about them. I'd certainly drop H20 for now.


FWIW, the H2O backend is more stable than the F%*&k backend, best to drop both.



> But ability to plug in new communication backend primitives seems to 
> be critical in my experience, as well as variety of cpu/gpu chipset 
> support. (I do use both in-memory and i/o custom backends that IMO are 
> a must).
>
> In that sense, it is super-important that custom backends are easy to 
> plug (even if you are absolutely legitimately dissatisfied with the 
> existing ones).
>
>
> > Think of Mahout in 5 years what will be important? H2O? Hadoop Mapreduce?
> > Flink? I’ll stake my dollar on no. GPUs yes and up the stakes. 
> > Streaming online learning (kappa style) yes but not sure Mahout is 
> > made for this right now.
> >
> > Or if we are talking about web site revamp +1, I’d be happy to 
> > upgrade my section and have only held off waiting to see a redesign 
> > or moving to Jekyll.
> >
> > As to a new mascot, ok, but the old one fits the name. We tried
> sub-naming
> > Mahout-Samsara to symbolize the changing nature and rebirth of the
> project,
> > maybe we should drop the name Mahout altogether. the name Mahout, 
> > like
> the
> > blue man, is not relevant to the project anymore and maybe renaming, 
> > is good for marketing.
> >
> > On Mar 24, 2017, at 7:37 AM, Nikolai Sakharnykh 
> > <nsakharn...@nvidia.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Agree that the website feels outdated. I would add Samsara code 
> > example
> on
> > the front page, list of key algorithms implemented, supported 
> > backends, github & download links, and cut down the news part 
> > especially towards
> the
> > end with flat release numbers and dates. Also probably reorganize 
> > the
> tabs.
> >
> > If we go with honey badger as a mascot do we have any ideas on the 
> > logo itself? Honey badger biting/eating a snake?)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Trevor Grant [mailto:trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 8:53 PM
> > To: dev@mahout.apache.org
> > Cc: u...@mahout.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Marketing
> >
> > A student once asked his teacher, "Master, what is enlightenment?"
> >
> > The master replied, "When hungry, eat. When tired, sleep."
> >
> > Sounds like the honey badger to me...
> >
> > Trevor Grant
> > Data Scientist
> > https://github.com/rawkintrevo
> > http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo
> > http://trevorgrant.org
> >
> > *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things."  
> > -Virgil*
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:43 PM, Pat Ferrel <p...@occamsmachete.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > The little blue man (the mahout) was reborn (samsara) as a
> honey-badger?
> > > He must be close indeed to reaching true enlightenment, or is that
> > Buddhism?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mar 23, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Andrew Palumbo <ap....@outlook.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > +1 on revamp.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone
> > >
> > >
> > > -------- Original message --------
> > > From: Trevor Grant <trevor.d.gr...@gmail.com>
> > > Date: 03/23/2017 12:36 PM (GMT-08:00)
> > > To: u...@mahout.apache.org, dev@mahout.apache.org
> > > Subject: Marketing
> > >
> > > Hey user and dev,
> > >
> > > With 0.13.0 the Apache Mahout project has added some significant
> updates.
> > >
> > > The website is starting to feel 'dated' I think it could use a reboot.
> > >
> > > The blue person riding the elephant has less signifigance in 
> > > Mahout-Samsara's modular backends.
> > >
> > > Would like to open the floor to discussion on website reboot (and 
> > > who might be willing to take on such a project), as well as new mascot.
> > >
> > > To kick off- in an offline talk there was the idea of A honey 
> > > badger (bc honey-badger don't care, just like mahout don't care 
> > > what back end or native solvers you are using, and also bc a cobra 
> > > bites a honey badger and he takes a little nap then wakes up and 
> > > finishes eating the cobra. honey badger eats snakes, and does all 
> > > the work while the other animals pick up the scraps.
> > > see this short documentary on the honey badger:
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg ) ^^audio not safe for 
> > > work
> > >
> > > Con: its almost tooo jokey.
> > >
> > > Other idea: are coy-wolfs.
> > >
> > > Trevor Grant
> > > Data Scientist
> > > https://github.com/rawkintrevo
> > > http://stackexchange.com/users/3002022/rawkintrevo
> > > http://trevorgrant.org
> > >
> > > *"Fortunate is he, who is able to know the causes of things."
> > > -Virgil*
> > >
> > >
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