I agree with you totally on the part that we need to get developers to the
table. We should look for documentatiors to do documentation for developers as
well as tutorials. I was thinking if we can get the leader of the major
developer projects (udk, framework, graphics, etc) putting in touch with
documentators (OOo Authors) and produce some useful documentation target at
developers.

Ximian has done a great job doing the unofficial hacking tool, OpenOffice.org on
the novel mailing lists are more developer oriented but again not much
documentation for newcomers to rapiddly grab.

Pavel Janik has a lot of knowledge and somehow more lean to make this
documentation. On this aspect, from Macros to UNO to the actual C++ developer
of the CVS branches.

On the other side I don't agree with you that we need to be an Office-clone, we
are OpenOffice.org and we do things diferently we got a better structured
office writting set, we have unique tools that might be great for
documentators, integrate the database with the whole OOo interface. We have a
navigator to rapidly locate areas of your document and reminders.

So no we wont be Microsoft Office, that has nothing to do with being less good
or anything like that. OpenOffice.org is a superior product than microsoft
becuase is better design.


--
Alexandro Colorado
Co-Leader of OpenOffice.org Spanish
http://es.openoffice.org/


Mensaje citado por Johnathan James <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Hello all..
>
> Just by way of introduction, I'm a programmer by destiny, a code
> monkey by day job, and a QA person here on OOo by choice. I've been
> lurking on the Marketing list here for a week or two..
>
> First off its cool to see so many people really excited about OOo and
> the potential impact it can make on the world. I'm glad to be a part
> of it. Years ago before I even thought about joining OOo, I had heard
> of and was excited by the project. From what I have read (and continue
> to read) OOo is a good replacement for Office. So I convinced my
> sister to try using it rather than Microsoft Office for her new home
> computer. She finally did it, but was disappointed and frustrated that
> there were so many things she couldn't do in Office, and that she kept
> running into bugs and such. She promptly went out and spent a couple
> hundred on Office. OOo was the 1.0 version at the time.. So I know
> things have gotten better since then (somewhat) but the basic issue
> remains.
>
> If users do not have pretty much the same experience as Office, if
> they are not free from having to worry about bugs, if OOo is not very
> close to as stable as Office, they're not going to use it. And even
> worse we've poisoned the opinion of a potential new user and all the
> people they would tell about it. It is my firm belief after going
> through a week or more of QA'ing bugs for the 2.0 version, that OOo is
> not ready to be widely disseminated. We need to get this code more
> stable, more bug free, in short, more comparable to Office before
> sending it out to the world.
>
> Firefox succeeds so well because it does everything that Internet
> Explorer does and more. People will, and do now, expect that of OOo
> too. We are not there yet. Close. But no Office.
>
> That said, I am here to do work and get OOo to that point, but perhaps
> we should be marketing to get developers and other contributors to the
> project to get it to the point of Office?
>
> Johnathan (haxwell)
>
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