Robert Vojta wrote:
One has to find a balance between (1) keeping the community involved, and organized and (2) being flexible and efficient.
yes, you're right and I have agree with you. But on the other site, I have to agree with Charles too.
Well, I was trying to present both sides of the issue. Again, both points have merit, and one has to find a balance.
Do you want to listen the truth? Nobody from our NLC is reading this mailing list (just one, two, maybe) and nobody knows nothing about the Frando's project, including me and I'm the one who is reading it each day.
In that case, condition (1) has not been sufficiently satisfied and Frando should approach the NLC community.
See the point I'm trying to make? Don't focus on "get approval" because that's POV leads to bureocracy. Instead, focus on what the goal of having a successful campaign. In this case, that means, making sure that the community is involved, and you don't interfere with another activity.
(2) But the official marketing project hasn't taken it up. Hence, this isn't competting with a current initiative.
From this point of view - who is marketing project? You? Me? Jacuqeline? John? Who? Who should take this up? Maybe it's Frando ... It's not so easy as it looks like ...
The point I'm trying to make is that it's not competting with a current initiative.
I do not want to see any marketing project leader approval, but what I really want to see is close cooperation from the same beginning.
I agree. Please, go back to item (1). About working with the community and being organized.
Where is the SpreadOOo specs? It means, the content of this web site? How Frando (or any other person) can start creating web sites from scratch without idea what this site will contain? Promotion materials? It's not enough ...
You start out by experimenting, and trying to involve the community. It's perfectly fine to start a website without a clear idea of where it's going to go. You can use it as a testing ground. With community involvement, perhaps it'll become something neat and useful.
Would you like to help out?
Frando, I think Robert has a good point. How about you join [email protected] and try to work with the NLC ? They're very nice people, very friendly.
<Lost in thoughts> You know, the global marketing project is not here for global marketing tasks. These things should be handled by the NLC (include en, but there will be an overlay) projects and that's why we have Czech marketing in the 'cs' project.
There is some of both. The SMP, OOoCon, trademark and logo should be handled by the global marketing project. Local conferences, flyers, talking to governments, etc should be handled by local NL projects.
You can't create multilingual SpreadOOo site, you're wasting your time. Create SpreadOOo site for your language, for you country and let the other NLC projects create their own SpreadOOo sites.
I disagree in a way. No one said that all the languages had to be identical. But I think it would be good if they were in the same URL, so it is easy to locate them. For example:
http://fr.spreadopenoffice.org http://nl.spreadopenoffice.org http://es.spreadopenoffice.org http://en.spreadopenoffice.org http://de.spreadopenoffice.org
You get the idea. Each one of these would be independent. But having them somewhat together like that makes them easy to find, and easier for them to exchange ideas and share resources, whenever it is beneficial.
Once again, we need balance. We must avoid the extremes where (1) everything is centralized and one project decides everything for all languages, or (2) the other extreme where each NL is isolated and has no contact with the others. We need something in between.
And BTW, when you'll create multilingual interface, who will translate all articles inside?
Each NL project should do what they feel like with their part of the site. If they find an article they like, and they want to translate it, great. If they don't, that's great too.
And remember - you're not able to meet requirements from the people over the whole world, it's impossible.
But you can setup a system that encourages cooperation and exchanging ideas. Because *some times* they will be able to work together.
What do you think?
Cheers, Daniel.
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