Hi,
eric b wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Le 1 janv. 09 à 12:08, sophie a écrit :
>>>
>>> To be honest about your document: I (but a lot off other people)
>>> discovered its existence after it has been created, without any
>>> announcement nor information, nor invitation to work with you (or it
>>> was well hidden on some list). And whatever people will say, you
>>> decide at
>>> then end,
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/9qcnmk
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/8xjnff
>>
>> Seeing the length of the threads on two different lists (d...@fr and
>> d...@fr, may be it's enough to say that it has not been created without
> 
>> any announcement or coordination :(
> 
> 
> I'll limit myself to the facts, and the threads you refer does confirm
> what I wrote:
> 
> =>  Education Project people discovered the existence after the document
> has been created.

Documentation list were there before, and you are invited to join it,
this is where the FR project work for this material, simply follow what
has been done previous your venue.
> 
> 
> The reason is very simple : it was discussed on an " exotic " list.
> Indeed, discuss about Education stuff on Documentation list does explain
> a lot why it was difficult for us (Education Project people) to discover
> the existence of the topic and provide feedback and opinions .

Documentation list is not an exotic list, a lot of work have been done
here for all kind of material and I hope this will not end because of
bad considerations.
> 
> And if I can, the thread were very important, *only once* we were aware.
> Yet another fact, who tends to proof the documentation list was not the
> right place ( we are "forced" to discuss the point over there" ) 

You're not forced, just follow what has been done before you are
involved somewhere, it's exactly the same for what is done here for any
topics including education.
> 
> Last, what does mean coordination when the topic is not discussed at the
> right place ? Even if people are informed of the existence of a mailing
> list, it does not mean they will subscribe, and we lose half of the
> contributors working like that => counterproductive again

Most of the FR project contributors knows where things are happening and
why they are happening here, please just read the topics of the lists,
it's not only in that project that some work is done in a central place
to not loose or disseminates energies.
> 
> 
> 
>> and has done a very good work in a fair manner with the brochures he
>> has made, thanks a lot Igor for this work.
>>
> 
> Nobody does contest Igor's work: thanks a lot to him for his work.
> 
> But the way you "bypassed" the Education project is simply
> counterproductive, because you do like if the Education Project was not
> there, what is obviously not the case  :-)

you mean me? I don't understand why it's a personal thing now? I've
helped to create the Education project, if you remember well, so why
should I want it to does not exist? this is really inconsistent.
> 
> So, yet another time, I invite people interested to contribute to
> Education Project, for whatever, including e.g. improving the website,
> improving the Education Project wiki page , and so on ... , to join us,
> and start working with us: there is so much to do, and they are warmly
> welcome !

Education project should be transversal and not centric on itself, I
really believe in what said Shankarshan, co-ordination is more of
function of collaboration.

Kind regards
Sophie

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