On Sat, 2003-07-05 at 17:50, Juergen Heidak wrote: > Hi > > Breaking API's or configuration settings is always bad. The much better > way is to keep compatibility and make the new feature configurable so > that it can be turned on easily. > > I dont use the war plugin I just wanted to say that I agree with > Vincent.
There's no reason the old method can't stay. I think it's awful anyway so I think something completely orthogonal to the current method would be more beneficial. > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think I'm -1 for making this change now. As you say there are just > > too > > > > many who are using it the other way. > > > > > > > But from the other hand - such change will be never easier from this > > > perspective > > > and there are much more "painful" changes coming (e.g. naming schema > > of > > > plugins' properties) > > > I think that we have a right to change things even drastically while > > maven > > > in still in beta stage. > > > > I think I'll disagree here (and lot of person will also disagree with > > me). OpenSource projects has the word open in it. That is person will > > start to use it if they think it is useful. And Maven certainly is. The > > fact that it's been more than 1 year without any release is indeed > > problematic but persons who like Maven have to live with this. I am one > > of them and I use Maven on big production projects. > > > > My view is that when you're doing open source development you have to > > respect your user base. It is your duty to do so. Some projects have a > > problem with doing releases and Maven is one of them. MockObjects is > > another one (it is still at version 0.09). This is not right. > > > > The very least you can do is make it painless for your users and avoid > > breaking things at each beta release. > > > > > > > > I agree that for some users this will be a bit painful, but for those > > who > > > are going > > > to start using maven or for those who are just going to make another > > > webapp > > > with maven, this change means simplification. > > > > I don't agree. I'm using the war plugin on a big project (5 years span, > > 200 persons, 70 developers, 2 geographic locations, 300+ Maven > > projects). I'm also using it on about 3-4 other projects. It's working > > for us and it's never been a pain to declare our war dependencies. > > > > Now, if you want to break APIs, I'd suggest we release Maven 1.0 and > > start working on Maven 2.0. But we *MUST* release 1.0 before. > > > > Now, I don't know if you were already working on Maven but not long ago, > > the Maven team decided that from now on (that was about 2-3 months ago) > > there would be no breaking of APIs and that we would put all our efforts > > in fixing bugs and release 1.0... > > > > I don't believe this promise has been completely fulfilled but we have > > tried. And adding more incompatibilities will not help. > > > > I'll continue to veto this change. I'm still -1 :-) > > > > -Vincent > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm +0 if you want to introduce a war plugin property such as: > > > > > > > > maven.war.dependency.behavior=exclude|include > > > > > > > > so that the current behavior is the default. > > > > > > > Also thought about that. > > > If still prefer to update my POMs... but certainly this is an option. > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Michal > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- jvz. Jason van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tambora.zenplex.org In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it. -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
