Yes, please... start thinking about opening the doors for new committers on 
maven-plugins or on specific plugins only.
I agree that cvs access should not be given away for free, but the list of plugins is 
too long to have so few people taking the responsibility for all of them. Better 
having people working on 1 or few plugins than having 4 or 5 developers working on 
anything.

If the Apache cvs is not friendly to new committers, it will be better to move all the 
non core plugins repository on sourceforge or somewhere else.

I also worked on maven plugins, submitted many bug reports and patches, but I often 
avoid working on them because of the excessive delay needed just to have one of the 
developer reading your bug report or considering your patch, which can maybe lay in 
jira forever. There are many patches in jira never evaluated by developers and old 
bugs maybe already fixed but still in an open status (= nobody is looking at them).

Upload requests also takes too much time so that are, in many situations, useless. One 
of maven core feature is the automatic downloading of dependencies, but it's so 
annoying having a maven-enabled project and tell users "ok, you SHOULD not need jars 
to build sources, but since this and this and this are not yet (request submitted) in 
the maven repository you will need to download them manually anyway".
If this system doesn't work change it. New people with only repository access? And 
what about the tool for automatic repository upload used by developers? Or maybe you 
should change the process so that users can upload directly in an "incoming" area and 
developers only has the role of approving new upload and seeing them moved to the http 
area automatically? Just think about improving it, please. The way it works now it's 
not a good way at all.

There is a lot to do on maven and on existing plugins, thinking only about maven 2 is 
not the only thing you should do...
hating jelly and dreaming for a fast and clean app is not a good reason to trash or 
ignore Maven waiting for a maven 2 release (2006? 2007?) and a full list of maven 2 
plugins.
I think jelly sucks for many things too (jsl & whitespace handling, type conversions, 
null/empty/dots handling, etc) but we have a lot of working plugins using it and bugs 
CAN be fixed now and deserve attention.
I like the maven concept and current plugins features and, also if maybe I don't like 
the way some things are implemented, I'd like to use maven and have everything working 
now, without waiting for a new generation...


My 0.02 $
fabrizio




-----Original Message-----
From: Vincent Massol [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: luned� 19 aprile 2004 18.10
To: 'Maven Developers List'
Subject: RE: [Vote] Arnaud Heritier as a committer

+1 from me too for both the distinction and for Arnaud as a committer on
the maven-plugins.

Thanks
-Vincent


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