Hi Mark,

The maven-checkstyle-plugin is rather pretty much hardcoded to a specific 
checkstyle version. While you _could_ technically exchange the checkstyle 
dependency it is not really intended.


Are you sure it is not really intended? It is actually _documented_:
https://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-checkstyle-plugin/examples/upgrading-checkstyle.html

I've been using it this way for many years and I am sure many other
users have done the same.

Best regards,

Falko


Am 23.12.2019 um 12:57 schrieb Mark Struberg:
But the main purpose is not to have multiple frameworks run with it. That's the 
main difference to surefire.

The maven-checkstyle-plugin is rather pretty much hardcoded to a specific 
checkstyle version. While you _could_ technically exchange the checkstyle 
dependency it is not really intended.

The 'compatibility' layer is rather only important for the checkstyle 
configuration. That part should really remain stable. If not, we have to up to 
major version.

LieGrue,
strub


Am 23.12.2019 um 12:34 schrieb Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>:

Point is it is the only way to not break end user since it gives us the
control of which version to select depending user config and java version.
Which we dont ask any change to user im fine either ways though.

Le lun. 23 déc. 2019 à 12:28, Benjamin Marwell <bmarw...@gmail.com> a
écrit :

I not think that would be a benefit, because removing the class loader call
will also work with older versions of checkstyle.
Also, of the plugin is just a wrapper, why even bother to detect if the
checkstyle.xml and checkstyle dependency will work together?

Or am I missing something?

On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 09:32 Romain Manni-Bucau, <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

What about loading checkstyle from a dependency resolver and use a custom
classloader with an integration per version (a bit like surefire). It
enables to use any version and even detect an user override in plugin
deps.
Le lun. 23 déc. 2019 à 09:27, Benjamin Marwell <bmarw...@gmail.com> a
écrit :

Hi Enrico,

that would mean a lot of incompatibilities which I wanted to avoid.
If the checkstyle jar is updated first (8.xx), maven users wouldn't be
able
to use a current version for quite a while, because the Maven plugin
would
throw NoSuchMethodExceptions. I wanted to avoid this.

On the other hand, if the Maven plugin gets updated and released first,
there is more time for users to migrate to a more recent maven plugin.
Hence my PR.

I really do not see the benefit of updating the checkstyle jar first
and
this having a period of time where Maven users cannot use a recent
version
of checkstyle at all.

Maybe I did express the issue with checkstyle 8.24 in a wrong way.
Users
can already use it if they rewrite their checkstyle.xml. it's just that
the
maven plugin should not update the default checkstyle version to not
break
any default setups and force users to rewrite their checks.




On Mon, 23 Dec 2019, 08:45 Enrico Olivelli, <eolive...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ben,
What about having a release of checkstyle with all of the requested
changes
and then update maven plugin and then release it?
Checkstyle maven plugin is just a wrapper over checkstyle library.

The best way would be that you (or anyone from Checkstyle) create a
PR
when
you are ready with the new release.

I will be happy to help you move forward with this change and cut a
release
Cheers
Enrico

Il lun 23 dic 2019, 07:21 Benjamin Marwell <bmarw...@gmail.com> ha
scritto:

Hi all,

The checkstyle team is waiting for my PR:

https://github.com/apache/maven-checkstyle-plugin/pull/18

The problem is, that they want to remove a method. If they do this
too
early, maven users will not be able to update the checkstyle
version
anymore.

Also, the maven Checkstyle plugin cannot ship a Checkstyle version
beyond
8.23 because of breaking changes. There is also an issue for this.

This really needs some attention by someone with more
responsibility.
Please keep in mind that there is already a jira issue about the
8.24
incompability. I commented that they should have made it a major
version,
and maybe the checkstyle plugin will have to jump to a new major
release
at
some point?

Thanks for looking into this.

Ben


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