Just use the Maven wrapper. Honestly all this can be avoided. Delany On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 10:42, Fred Cooke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Gidday Tamas, > > Yeah, I'm not surprised. I don't install maven on my personal machines with > Brew, I grab and expand the tarball and have a system of symlinks to switch > around easily from old to new etc (I have some crappy old projects I still > need to build with old JDK and old Maven). > > But at work, Mac. With corporate spyware, no less. And Brew is how we get > OpenSSL, Git, Maven, OpenJDK, and Branchout (a great tool a friend of mine > wrote that I've been contributing to as much as I can, not perfect yet, but > pretty good depending on your style/needs). > > My hope was that I could set a [email protected] dependency in Branchout's brew > project to avoid 3.8.2, however I saw it wasn't there, but ancient stuff > WAS there, and thought "sweet, I'll just contribute it", but nope, not so > fast :-D What's amazing to me is that they wouldn't accept a legit 3.6 but > have 3.5, 3.3, and 3.2 - all great versions back in their day, but all > obsolete outside of say super old fashioned slow adopting banks or > whatever. That's mind blowing. I'd do a PR to remove the older ones, but > someone might be using them, and I couldn't live with myself, however the > inconsistency totally bothers me :-D > > Always game to "try latest" but when it's work, continuity and stability > are needed, and Brew certainly doesn't provide that. If 3.8.3 is a fizzer > [1] I'll add a "tap" of 3.8.1 to Branchout side by side with the branchout > formula files and depend directly on that. Then it'll be stable. But that > seems like a lot of work for something that could be supported out of the > box especially considering formulae are text files and no hosting is > required... > > Wasn't aware of sdkman, but I don't decide what dozens of mac users use. > Used to be fink, then it was ports, now it's brew, it's probably not the > last project to try to fill the voids apple leaves. :-) > > To be fair, it's worked well up until now, just 3.8.2 didn't cut the > mustard for us, but I'm sure along the way there were flaws in the 3.6 > series that were deal breakers for others while they were fine for us. Such > is life :-) > > Cheers, > > Fred. > > [1] Firework where only the fuse burns (fizzes) leaving you wondering if > it's about to blow, ruining the excitement, and causing a gap in the fun > while you wait until it's probably safe to pick up :-D > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 19:04, Tamás Cservenák <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Howdy, > > > > I was chased away from Brew many times with the words "it's not a version > > manager" :) > > > > Yes, Brew is a tool that helps you install stuff, but it really focus on > > "latest", and does not have a notion of package "version", they solve it > > (correct me if I'm wrong), by doing some trickeries around formulas (so > > X.0.1 and X.0.2 are actually TWO formulas). > > > > In short, I don\t want to be smartxss, but: > > - are you sure Brew is the tool you want to provision Maven? > > - Are you aware of SDKMAN (https://sdkman.io/) for example, that is able > > to > > do exactly what you need, out of the box? > > > > But in general, I am completely aligned with Karl, try latest (as you > > noticed, soon 3.8.3) > > > > HTH > > Tamas > > > > > > > > On Fri, Oct 1, 2021 at 12:41 AM Fred Cooke <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hey Karl, > > > > > > Thank you very much for your response and for all your work over the > > years! > > > :-) > > > > > > Now that I'm awake and not desperate to go to bed, I found the issue > > > reported by someone else, but NOT on maven: > > > https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MINVOKER-283 > > > > > > However the comment from Michael Osipov suggests that it probably has > > been > > > identified in Maven and is likely included with 3.8.3 which (awesome to > > > hear) is coming out very soon. > > > > > > Thanks to everyone who jumped on the ticket. I'll add my 2c there in a > > > minute - it's already closed (harsh) but a bit of follow up is > necessary. > > > > > > To be clear, I wasn't complaining about Maven, I've been using it since > > > 2.0.4 or maybe earlier and have always been a huge fan. It's a hairy > > beast > > > and progress necessitates making calls to break things sometimes. I > don't > > > know if that's what this is, or if it's just a regression because > hairy, > > > but either way, it's normal for software to have various issues over > > > various versions through its lifetime. The issue is that Brew has a > very > > > narrow view of "use only the latest" which is never practical. Such > > > impractical views are regularly the work of Apple and deciphels thereof > > but > > > you won't find that in Debian where you can get stuff from WAY back IF > > you > > > need it. Same for ubu and I imagine same for most distros. I mean, look > > at > > > maven central, you need something from 2005? No problem. Brew: You need > > > something from LAST WEEK - absolutely not! :-D Hilarious. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Fred. > > > > > > On Fri, 1 Oct 2021 at 09:11, Karl Heinz Marbaise <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > On 30.09.21 15:49, Fred Cooke wrote: > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > > > We've hit an issue with maven 3.8.2 which a lot of our clients use > on > > > > macs > > > > > through Brew and although brew supports the latest 3.8, 3.5, 3.3, > 3.2 > > > > > versions it does not support 3.8.1 which doesn't have the > regression > > > and > > > > > does not have 3.6 which was also fine for our purposes. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure if the issue we've got has been reported (not by me at > > > > least) > > > > > and I can certainly get that information, but it'd be helpful if > > > someone > > > > > like Robert of Stephen could chime in on this PR: > > > > > > > > > > https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/86192 < Put 3.6.3 > > back > > > in > > > > > Brew on mac as an option. > > > > > > > > First It would be very helpful to know about what you are talking? > Have > > > > you created an JIRA issue for it? Have you checked the JIRA for it if > > > > one already exist? > > > > > > > > Furthermore If someone has an issue with a particular Maven version > > than > > > > use the most recent one of that's not possible go down one > > > > version...that's it... > > > > > > > > Most important here is to report such things. If we don't know > anything > > > > how could we know and even more important how could we fix it.. > > > > > > > > Another thing is why should one of our devs get into a homebrew > parts? > > > > Also as Michael already wrote... > > > > > > > > > The general approach is that every new version supersedes old > > > > version. There is no old minor version support. > > > > > > > > > Forget anything before 3.5.4 or even 3.6.3. If 3.8.3 proves to be > > > > regression-free, forget 3.6.3 as > > > > > > > > Always use the most recent one... > > > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't mind if in support or against my comments and intent, just > > keen > > > > to > > > > > see a resolution for ~50 developers :-D > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Fred (3am, off to bed!) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
