Romain,

1) please do not talk nonsense (about dropping toolchains), as this thread
is unrelated to it (and is not gonna happen)
2) your PDF... did you _read it_? Do you really expect volunteers to
support companies WHO PAY for Java8 (to some third party, like Azul) to
support their business for free?

T

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 9:47 PM Romain Manni-Bucau <rmannibu...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hmm, not sure im ready for a 200M vanilla build tool even if it would have
> been ok legally...
>
> Le mer. 21 févr. 2024 à 21:41, Hunter C Payne
> <hunterpayne2...@yahoo.com.invalid> a écrit :
>
> >  I might be wrong but I understood that shipping the JRE/JVM required a
> > license and this is why most people don't ship with a JVM bundled.  But
> > perhaps that has changed since the Oracle v Google/Alphabet trial.
> > Hunter
> >
> >     On Wednesday, February 21, 2024 at 12:00:54 PM PST, Benjamin Marwell
> <
> > bmarw...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >  FWIW, bazel changed its runtime requirement to Java 21.
> > But they are shipping their own Java Runtime, so their users won't
> notice.
> > [1]
> >
> > I think they are the first build tool to do that.
> >
> > I say this as a FYI fact only, not implying anything.
> > Make of it what you want.
> >
> > - Ben
> >
> > Am Di., 20. Feb. 2024 um 21:50 Uhr schrieb Tamás Cservenák
> > <ta...@cservenak.net>:
> > >
> > > Howdy,
> > >
> > > I intentionally used "Maven" here, and not "Maven 4" as I am sure the
> > > majority of Maven users do not run Maven on the same Java version they
> > > target with their build. We do not do that either.
> > >
> > > Some snippets from Herve (who is the ONLY one doing reproducible
> checks,
> > > kudos for that) votes:
> > >
> > > Sun, Feb 18, 2024, 9:38 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Shade Plugin version 3.5.2
> > > Reproducible Build ok: reference build done with JDK 11 on *nix
> > >
> > > Wed, Jan 31, 2024, 5:06 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Apache Maven JLink Plugin version 3.2.0
> > > Reproducible Builds ok: reference build done on *nix with JDK 21 and
> > umask
> > > 022
> > >
> > > Mon, Jan 8, 2024, 8:29 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Maven Plugin Tools version 3.11.0
> > > Reproducible Builds ok: reference build done with JDK 8 on Windows with
> > > umask
> > >
> > > Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 8:59 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Compiler Plugin version 3.12.0
> > > Reproducible Builds ok: reference build done on *nix with JDK 21 and
> > umask
> > > 022
> > >
> > > Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 8:59 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Apache Maven Compiler Plugin version 3.12.0
> > > Reproducible Builds ok: reference build done on *nix with JDK 21 and
> > umask
> > > 022
> > >
> > > Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 8:16 AM
> > > [VOTE] Apache Maven Build Cache Extension 1.1.0
> > > Reproducible Build ok: reference build done on *nix with JDK 11
> > >
> > > Sun, Nov 19, 2023, 5:17 PM
> > > [VOTE] Release Maven Resolver 1.9.17
> > > Reproducible Build ok: reference build done with JDK 21 on *nix with
> > umask
> > > 022
> > >
> > > Sat, Oct 21, 2023, 4:34 PM
> > > VOTE] Apache Maven 4.0.0-alpha-8 release
> > > Reproducible Build ok: reference build done with JDK 21 on *nix with
> > umask
> > > 022
> > >
> > > Mon, Oct 2, 2023, 9:11 AM
> > > [VOTE] Release Apache Maven 3.9.5
> > > Reproducible not fully ok: reference build done with JDK 17 on *nix and
> > > umask 022
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > > This CLEARLY shows the tendency:
> > > - Michael does releases on Java 8 (on windows!), he is a known
> "aligner"
> > > and windows person :)
> > > - Olivier used the "minimum" required Java version (for build cache).
> > > - Unsure why Herve used Java 11 for the Shade plugin... I mean, he
> could
> > > use 21 but also 8, but he shot for 11 that was EOL at the moment of
> > release.
> > > - The rest is 21.
> > >
> > > ====
> > >
> > > So, the question for those refusing anything other than Java 8 to _run_
> > > Maven (or to revert: for those refusing to run Maven on "latest LTS",
> > that
> > > is currently 21):
> > > WHY?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > T
> >
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