Howdy,

Olivier, I find this quite interesting, that according to you doing an
Eclipse release (even M one) is "just push a few buttons and run
something for a minute".
On the other hand, on Slack you educate Christoph about the "Apache way".
Please calm down and remain respectful.

Your PR [1] has been reviewed by Sisu project lead (Stuart McCulloch) and
is merged. All is fine.

The problem is in the "release must happen RIGHT NOW" stance of yours (for
whatever reason).
No Sisu committer will or can throw away everything they currently do (or
planned to do), just to make Sisu release happen, as you ask for it.
We are doing our best, and release for sure will happen soonish, as there
are several merged, but also several ongoing changes to be done yet (see
open PRs).

[1] https://github.com/eclipse/sisu.plexus/pull/52

On Wed, May 8, 2024 at 7:55 AM Christoph Läubrich <m...@laeubi-soft.de>
wrote:

> Hi Olivier,
>
> I'm not 100% sure about the sisu[1] problem at Eclipse BUT usually there
> is no need for a vote or similar but from tiem to time there is a
> release or progress review. If I look here
> https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.sisu/who you have 100%
> commits over the last three month, so it would make sense that @Konrad
> Windszus or @cstamas simply start a committer vote to make you a
> committer of the project, after that I would (if Stuart is non
> responsive anymore) start a Project Lead election for either any of you,
> at that point you then can do what ever is required (even though any
> committer can technically perform a release or ask for a release review
> some actions might require a Project Lead approval e.g. pushing to
> central), if you have any questions regarding Eclipse process you can
> ask the Eclipse EMO (e...@eclipse.org added as CC).
>
> If you need any help I can offer to give some help from my experience in
> other Eclipse Projects, at a first glance looking at the release page[1]
> a release review seems overdue but I'm not an expert on this specific
> topic, it just wont hurt to schedule one just to be sure.
>
> HTH
> Christoph
>
> [1] https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.sisu
> [2] https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.sisu/governance
>
> Am 07.05.24 um 23:23 schrieb Olivier Lamy:
> > Hi,
> > Sure but as a long-term developer, I cannot release this plexus part
> anymore.
> > It used to be very easy to release this major part of the system (but
> > for some reason this has been moved somewhere else. not something to
> > discuss again, of course)
> > I have been asking sisu dev mailing list for a release, but no answer
> yet.
> > I have been looking at this project mailing list archive.
> > There is an email about a possible process
> > (https://www.eclipse.org/lists/sisu-dev/msg00116.html), but as far as
> > I can see, this 0.9.0.M2 release has been done without any voting
> > process etc.
> > So releasing looks to be only a matter of having a few minutes to run
> > m-release-p and publish. (being contributor to another Eclipse
> > project, I cannot see anything with vote mandatory).
> >
> > If it's easier we can certainly move this sisu plexus project back to
> > where it was few years ago under the groupId org.codehaus.plexus and
> > releasing will not be a problem for maven contributors.
> >
> > regards
> > Olivier
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 6 May 2024 at 20:16, Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Btw, I feel really strange to have to explain to a long term maven
> >> contributor, that he can do maven release whenever he feels so....
> >>
> >> T
> >>
> >> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 11:59 AM Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Howdy,
> >>>
> >>> I think you reversed the question... 3.9.7 was done and ready to go
> until
> >>> you stepped in.
> >>>
> >>> IMHO the real question is:
> >>> Is your issue (using overloaded methods in mojo config) really so
> urgent
> >>> to halt 3.9.7 release?
> >>> What is the problem with doing 3.9.8 maybe even two weeks later?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks
> >>> T
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, May 6, 2024 at 7:45 AM Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Is 3.9.7 really so urgent?
> >>>> Maybe we can wait a couple of days.
> >>>> I have been asking the sisu dev mailing list for a release.
> >>>> This should not be too long.
> >>>> I can see you are in the committers list
> >>>> (https://projects.eclipse.org/projects/technology.sisu/who) with
> >>>> Konrad so maybe you can help to expedite this?
> >>>>
> >>>> regards
> >>>> Olivier
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sun, 5 May 2024 at 21:05, Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Howdy,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Maven 3.9.7 was ready to be released 3 days ago and contains multiple
> >>>> fixes
> >>>>> contributed by non committers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> MNG-8116 was added 2 days ago. I really see no reason to be blocked,
> to
> >>>>> "stop and wait" for a bugfix, as we can always spin 3.9.8.
> >>>>> Releases are cheap, and can be done whenever we (anyone of us) feels
> >>>> right
> >>>>> to do so...
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 3.9.7 is not the "last Maven 3.9.x" or anything like that, to have a
> >>>> "now
> >>>>> or never" situation. Just spin 3.9.8 whenever you think is ready.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My 5 cents
> >>>>> T
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sun, May 5, 2024 at 2:14 AM Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>>>>> Can we please integrate
> >>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/MNG-8116
> >>>>>> The fix is ready and really simple.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>> Olivier
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 at 07:12, Tamás Cservenák <ta...@cservenak.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Howdy,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is just a short newsflash about upcoming planned releases
> >>>> related to
> >>>>>>> Maven.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Recently we got a huge spike in plugin releases, with various fixes
> >>>> and
> >>>>>>> improvements. I will not enumerate all of them here, just use `mvn
> >>>>>>> versions:display-plugin-updates` to pick them up ;)
> >>>>>>> (and more plugins to come).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What I do want to share is about our upcoming Maven releases...
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maven 3.9.7 is nearing (read: coming soon), and will have an
> >>>> important
> >>>>>>> Resolver update and other important fixes. Most importantly, the
> >>>>>> file-locks
> >>>>>>> are getting nice improvement (feedback VERY welcome).
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maven 3.9.7 issues:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MNG%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%203.9.7
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Resolver 1.9.19 issues (mostly bug fixes):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MRESOLVER%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%201.9.19
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At the same time, we plan to release Maven Daemon (m39) as well, to
> >>>> have
> >>>>>> it
> >>>>>>> aligned with Maven 3,9,7: with many bug fixes and
> >>>> improvements/alignments
> >>>>>>> to "how Maven 3 behave". Our goal is to make the two (mvn and mvnd)
> >>>>>>> interchangeable on workstations.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Next, Maven 4 is turning beta, so the next release will be beta1!
> >>>> And
> >>>>>>> again, same thing for Maven Damon (m40), we will have a release
> >>>> that will
> >>>>>>> include Maven 4 beta-1.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maven 4 beta-1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MNG%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%204.0.0-beta-1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Resolver 2.0.0 (currently alpha-11, will become beta after Maven4
> >>>> beta-1
> >>>>>>> release):
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MRESOLVER%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%202.0.0-alpha-11
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Keep your eyes on our upcoming releases,
> >>>>>>> and have fun!
> >>>>>>> - The Apache Maven team
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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