Brett Porter wrote:
My thoughts:
- I agree with Vincent that JIRA is no good for discussions.
+1
JIRA sucks for conversations.
- I agree with Jesse that the mailing list is still the most natural
medium (people can discuss in their own time, catch up, and get
automatic notification of new comments)
- I agree with Jason that they are getting lost
So, we should combine our technologies:
- discussion starts on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- poster decides it requires further discussion (most likely the
original poster, possibly at same time as posting). Adds the issue to
JIRA, under MNG (or relevant project, eg CONTINUUM, or MPA if it is the
dev process), component = design where necessary, target version where
appropriate (eg a Maven 2.1 design discussion)
- when discussion reaches a suitable point (may start this way), a
proposal is put on the wiki
- discussion is regularly used to update the wiki page.
- if discussion goes in circles and no agreement is being reached
because its hard to communicate given the time lag on email, a breakout
on IRC is arranged, logged, summarised and posted to the list, with the
wiki updated. Further discussion may ensue.
The creation of a JIRA item and the relevant wiki page requires that an
issue needs a champion. This should be the original poster, but others
can agree to do that, and anyone can update the wiki or JIRA if they
feel that is appropriate. The champion does not have to be a committer -
anyone can propose and follow through on design discussions.
I think we agree entirely as our posts are very similar. The one thing I
think is different though is that I feel that even if one person starts
the discussion it needs to be picked up by anyone who has the
energy/motivation/time/whatever to finish it. I think what happened with
the dev process works just fine. The issue was in JIRA with me assigned,
but you had time to post some initial thoughts and I tried to follow up
with a document. The issue needs a champion but anyone should be able to
carry it to completion because all the information should be clearly
visible.
- Brett
Jason van Zyl wrote:
Hi,
Of late I think many issues are coming up on the lists and we're not
dealing with resolving them effectively because, as is natural, people
have different priorities or are generally just thinking about different
things that may be interesting or pressing.
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