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Jesse Kuhnert wrote:
> I think what everyone is saying sounds more or less correct, but what is the
> solution then?
> 
> If they can't rely on a runtime container to host the site, options become
> MUCH more limited.
> 
> Complaints about the UI are fine and I'm sure everyone welcomes them, but
> possible solutions that fit into the requirements of the projects technical
> constraints are much more helpful :) I can't think of any really good
> solutions off the top of my head that don't rely on runtime stuff....?
> 

In thinking about what a runtime container would provide, I can't think
of anything required on a site with no user-login / form / etc that
would require any sort of container. I, personally, think maven-site
does an adequate job for sites that "only a developer could love".

To illustrate both my point that a runtime container isn't necessary for
the information necessary, and a site that's more "user-geared" I
suggest a look at Geronimo's new look (http://geronimo.apache.org). I'm
not saying it's perfect - it's closer to Maven's current site than a
Mozilla site - but it's definitely more "user" oriented/friendly - and
to the best of my knowledge runs outside of a container. The difference?
That site was designed. Maven generates sites that are coded. (And I'm
not talking about "pretty" - more the "concise look" and "user-level
links".) And that's more of a 'content designed' than a 'look and feel'
design.

Then there's the content debate... "Getting Started" with Maven goes on
_forever_. To get started?!? And that's entirely outside the scope of
the documentation link (which doesn't quite go on forever - just links
forever). And the first link on documentation? Getting Started. [and NO,
I'm not saying there's too much documentation now ;-)]

My thoughts. Other's (and sometimes mine) may vary.
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