I would like to start it with Maven 3.x only because I would be
willing to put in the effort to maintain it, find resources to
maintain it and support users.
I can't speak for everyone, but if we wanted to move everything to GIT
I would be in favor of that.
I think we basically decide whether it's a good idea and go from there.
I think it would be great for the community in making it easier to
share.
The git-svn thing just sucks and is just hindrance to using GIT
properly.
On 23-Apr-09, at 10:33 AM, Paul Gier wrote:
I'm fine with moving to Git. When you say it will start with Maven
3.x, what does that include? Will all the trunks switch over or
just components/trunk to start with?
Jason van Zyl wrote:
Hi,
Maven was the first project at Apache to use JIRA and though there
was a great deal of concern/noise about using JIRA it ultimately
proved to be a decent system and now lots of projects are using JIRA.
I'm not particularly interested in mandating everything in Maven to
use GIT but I would like to pilot the use of GIT as the canonical
repository for Maven 3.x and wanted to see what others thought.
I believe that GIT is going to be the dominant SCM in the very near
future because the distributed nature is so much more inline with
the way OSS should work. Anyone can get a complete copy of our work
and it is much easier to absorb those changes. There are many
examples now on the net demonstrating projects that have switched
to GIT and their communities have flourished as a result.
We are also seeing the rise of Java implementations of GIT and to
me this means there are going to be an order of magnitude more
developers able to work on the core system. JGIT, which is being
developed primarily by Shawn Pearce @ Google, is awesome. I
actually have been participating in helping with the build for JGIT
and I've been working with Peter Royal to create a MINA SSHD
wrapper around JGIT using JSecurity for authentication and it's so
easy. Peter cranked out a working prototype in 3 hours. This simply
is not possible with C-based systems like Subversion which is
essentially a closed box or generally uninteresting to Java
developers. JGIT along with Gerrit (an awesome code review tool
Shawn Pearce is working on) is being used by the Google Android
team and it's working well (I'm meeting with Shawn Pearce today to
chat) so I think we have evidence this works.
I'd be happy if everyone here wanted to use GIT but I do believe
that I have a better chance of getting people involved with Maven
3.x if I can get the canonical repository in GIT.
In the Maven project we set precedent with JIRA and now I would
like to do that with GIT.
If Apache Infrastructure doesn't want to support this then I feel
we can do the same thing we did with JIRA until they catch up. I
think having a canonical repository at Github is safe, well backed
up and maintained and I don't think we would have to worry about
anything there. They have full-time staff and a slew of engineers
so I would even argue that a repository at Github would be just as
safe and well maintained as a Subversion repository here.
Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Jason
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