On Aug 8, 2010, at 8:18 PM, Brett Porter wrote: > > On 07/08/2010, at 9:47 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: > >> >> On Aug 7, 2010, at 1:44 AM, Brett Porter wrote: >> >>> >>>> >>>> Unavoidable. We're not going to bring in everyone other dependency and any >>>> developer worth their salt can figure out how to pull in sources for >>>> dependent projects. Aether is all JIRA and Confluence it's not a big leap >>>> for anyone here. The barrier is not and never will be the infrastructure, >>>> it's people's time and willingness to contribute. >>>> >>> >>> I continue to disagree. Time/willingess is #1, but the pain of tracking two >>> of everything takes away from the time and willingness one has. We've seen >>> it too many times before. >>> >>> >> >> So I refute this with an act by Kristian today which was to sign the >> Sonatype CLA, sign up for the mailing list, asked for access to the wiki, >> already has access and has been working with Benjamin. You'll also notice he >> hasn't participated in this discussion at all he's just doing. So I >> completely disagree there is any real pain, just a general unwillingness to >> attempt anything different. So you can spend 15 minutes telling me how hard >> it is to get involved or spend 15 minutes getting involved like Kristian >> just did. > > You mean like spending 15 minutes seeing if I could replicate Arnaud's > results? I'm one of the few who has invested the time to try and track any > artifact work over the last few years, and I don't really appreciate my > commitment being called into question. >
That's not what I meant at all. I'm not sure how you're coming up with that interpretation. I'm saying it's not hard for people to participate. Kristian demonstrated. I thought you were talking about people contributing in general not yourself. I wasn't talking about you specifically. > As for signing the Sonatype CLA: > "Sonatype requires that you assign the intellectual property rights in your > contribution to Sonatype (with a license back to you to use it in any way you > please)." > > No thanks. > If we want to move anything to Eclipse, then we need to be able to give them everything. We've already set a precedent by doing this with Tycho. We just turned around and assigned everything to them. > In all of the above, if it had been here, Kristian could have saved himself > the 15 minutes. But it's the ongoing cost I'm concerned about - stuff like > tracking issues and dealing with external snapshots. I've already said all I > can on it. > > I'm not unwilling to attempt something different. I'd be happy to explore > ways we could make development at Apache more open to external contributions. > I would be in favour of a low barrier to entry to people committing on things > where we know we need help, particularly when we already know of some > existing merit in the area. > > - Brett > > -- > Brett Porter > br...@apache.org > http://brettporter.wordpress.com/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org > Thanks, Jason ---------------------------------------------------------- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl --------------------------------------------------------- People develop abstractions by generalizing from concrete examples. Every attempt to determine the correct abstraction on paper without actually developing a running system is doomed to failure. No one is that smart. A framework is a resuable design, so you develop it by looking at the things it is supposed to be a design of. The more examples you look at, the more general your framework will be. -- Ralph Johnson & Don Roberts, Patterns for Evolving Frameworks
