On 1/25/11 11:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote:
On Jan 25, 2011, at 11:03 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote:
My understanding is that once the policy has been approved the veto will
either be removed, or the policy will make clear what is to be done.
The PMCs choice is to accept EPL licensed artifacts that don't come from
Apache, or you can re-implement them all. No one is going to strong-arm me into
bringing any of those dependencies here and Ralph's Ursula Move[1] was pretty
much the final nail in the coffin. I resigned from the Maven PMC specifically
because of Ralph Goers. When some guy who done virtually nothing for two years
vetoes someone like Benjamin then it's not a meritocracy, it's ridiculous is
what it is.
After 10 years of working on this stuff, if the Maven PMC feels I'm going to do
something that's not in the best interest of Maven users then I'm not going to
try and convince anyone. Say no to the dependencies that Sonatype has created
and works on, re-implement them and good luck with that. You will completely
cripple the project. Ralph just guaranteed those dependencies are never coming
back here. He just totally abused his unjustified position on the Maven PMC.
Someone will have to run me over with a truck to change that now. What Ralph
did is irreversible even if the veto is.
I have always done what is in the best interest of users, and I always will.
Sonatype, my investors, and anyone else have no control over me when it comes
to Maven. Brett and John have first hand experience about what happens when I
believe there is a transgression and what I will do to try and course correct.
IMO, this is exactly why we can't consider these projects (sisu, aether,
modello?) as being just another EPL dependency, governed by Eclipse
Foundation practices. There is a lot of history here, and obviously a
lot of high emotion...not to mention personal agendas. To say that,
because Eclipse offers a reasonable environment contribution, and
because sisu has a github project, everything is just fine as far as
using these dependencies...well, that kind of misses the nuance that
Jason has just provided.
I can appreciate that for somebody who has resigned from the PMC and the
Apache foundation it may appear that the veto has come out of thin air.
-Stephen
[1]: http://ceki.blogspot.com/2010/05/forces-and-vulnerabilites-of-apache.html
Thanks,
Jason
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