I've wrote up some stuff in our Wiki:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Incremental+Builds

Feel free to add more info/ideas.

LieGrue,
strub

PS: a small test app can be found on https://github.com/struberg/maventest
Try this with the latest compiler plugin 2.6-SNAPSHOT from trunk



----- Original Message -----
> From: Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
> To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 10:04 PM
> Subject: Re: improving incremental builds
> 
>t he shade plugin would just need to store a local status file with the md5 of 
> the created result.
> Or add the info to the manifest as you proposed.
> 
> The main point is that this should be up to the maven-shade-plugin, as it is 
> the 
> only one who knows when to repeat this step.
> 
> LieGrue,
> strub
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> ________________________________
>>  From: Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com>
>> To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org>; Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de> 
>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 9:53 PM
>> Subject: Re: improving incremental builds
>> 
>> 
>> The issue (for benson) is when the shade plugin modifies after the class 
> files have changed... the jar plugin will currently skip recreating the jar, 
> and 
> he has no way of knowing if the jar file has been shaded or not.... the 
> solution 
> is to have the manifest.mf include an entry that indicates created by shade, 
> so 
> that shade can safely skip
>> 
>> 
>> On 27 August 2012 19:39, Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>> 
>> Not sure if I get the problem.
>>> 
>>> The timestamp of the input files is still < than the timestamp of the 
> jar file. Regardless if it later got modified by the shade-plugin or not.
>>> 
>>> LieGrue,
>>> strub
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ________________________________
>>>>  From: Stephen Connolly <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com>
>>> 
>>>> To: Maven Developers List <dev@maven.apache.org>
>>>> Cc: Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
>>>> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 8:11 PM
>>> 
>>>> Subject: Re: improving incremental builds
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 27 August 2012 19:10, Stephen Connolly 
> <stephen.alan.conno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> On 27 August 2012 18:09, Benson Margulies 
> <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>  build1 and build 2 are different modules or different 
> mvn invocations with some time inbetween?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  Of course we will need to test all plugins to behave 
> incremental like! Means the maven-shade-plugin should check itself whether it 
> needs shading or not at all.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Two builds, separated in time, of exactly the same module.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The problem here is that the jar plugin has already decided 
> not to
>>>>>> rebuild the jar by the time the shade plugin gets there, and 
> I have no
>>>>>> idea how to make the shade plugin play along.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Any chance we can get the jar plugin to inspect some of the 
> artifacts that it generates into the jar to see if they are consistent with 
> what 
> the jar plugin produces...
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm looking at you META-INF/MANIFEST.MF
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I.O.W. if the 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Created-By: Apache Maven 3.0.4 (Maven JAR Plugin)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> is switched to 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Created-By: Apache Maven 3.0.4 (Maven Shade Plugin)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Then the Maven JAR plugin can infer that the timestamp check is 
> pointless, and force regen
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> And people customizing that header can just live with the issues 
> that creates.
>>>>  
>>>> -Stephen
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  But the worst thing happening would be that we compile 
> too much. Thats still better than a full mvn clean install :)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  LieGrue,
>>>>>>>  strub
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>  From: Benson Margulies 
> <bimargul...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>  To: Maven Developers List 
> <dev@maven.apache.org>; Mark Struberg <strub...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>>>>  Cc:
>>>>>>>>  Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 5:07 PM
>>>>>>>>  Subject: Re: improving incremental builds
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 8:40 AM, Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>   We might implement this by storing the list of 
> all activated profiles + all
>>>>>>>>  resolved environment properties in a file in 
> target/ somewhere.
>>>>>>>>>   That would be part of a.) in my previous mail 
> to Romain.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  How about the situation with shade?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Build 1 runs shade and it replaces the primary 
> build artifact with a shaded one.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Build 2 sees that nothing has changed, but shade 
> doesn't know, and it
>>>>>>>>  reshades, eating its own output with a ton of 
> messages.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>  Can I fix this in shade with current technologies?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   LieGrue,
>>>>>>>>>   strub
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>   From: Anders Hammar 
> <and...@hammar.net>
>>>>>>>>>>   To: Maven Developers List 
> <dev@maven.apache.org>; Mark Struberg
>>>>>>>>  <strub...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>>>>>>   Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>   Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 12:24 PM
>>>>>>>>>>   Subject: Re: improving incremental builds
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>    +0 for auto detecting changed 
> scenarios. If someone changes a
>>>>>>>>  profile or
>>>>>>>>>>   the whole pom, then I'd expect he 
> invokes a clean manually.  We
>>>>>>>>  have to
>>>>>>>>>>   document this expectation of course.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>   What do others think of this? I'm 
> thinking it would be awesome (but
>>>>>>>>>>   maybe difficult) if plugins could 
> determine if its configuration has
>>>>>>>>>>   changed, and then handle this 
> automatically. If there are to many
>>>>>>>>>>   cases where a manual clean build is 
> required, I believe people will
>>>>>>>>>>   continue to do "mvn clean 
> install" (which I see all the time
>>>>>>>>  with
>>>>>>>>>>   developers), which I think is what we try 
> to get away from.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>   /Anders
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>    LieGrue,
>>>>>>>>>>>    strub
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>    ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>    From: Anders Hammar 
> <and...@hammar.net>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    To: Maven Developers List 
> <dev@maven.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 
> 9:57 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>    Subject: Re: improving 
> incremental builds
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I already started tweaking 
> the m-compiler-plugin and
>>>>>>>>  found quite
>>>>>>>>>>   scary
>>>>>>>>>>>>    issues. There is e.g. 
> MCOMPILER-21 (open since 2005) which
>>>>>>>>  prevents
>>>>>>>>>>   incremental
>>>>>>>>>>>>    build and would kick in in your 
> scenario.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    This is interesting. I've 
> looked a bit at Mojo's JAXB
>>>>>>>>  plugin in
>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    context of detecting stale 
> generated files (i.e. need to
>>>>>>>>  re-generate)
>>>>>>>>>>>>    and it's similar to this. It 
> would extremely nice if there
>>>>>>>>  would be
>>>>>>>>>>   a
>>>>>>>>>>>>    common "framework" for 
> handling incremental builds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>    In addition to what's been 
> mentioned in the jira (I just
>>>>>>>>  browsed it
>>>>>>>>>>>>    quickly), we have cases when 
> includes/excludes change, the
>>>>>>>>  sourceDir
>>>>>>>>>>>>    changes, etc which should trigger 
> cleanup and re-compilation.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>    /Anders
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     I talked about 2 scenarios
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     a.) all phases >= 
> package, e.g. mvn verify, mvn
>>>>>>>>  install, ...
>>>>>>>>>>   Here we
>>>>>>>>>>>>    have an artifact on the disc and 
> could test for the md5 of
>>>>>>>>  them, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     b.) all phases < package. 
> This is e.g. mvn compile or
>>>>>>>>  mvn test.
>>>>>>>>>>   In that
>>>>>>>>>>>>    case we don't produce a 
> jar/war/ear/... artifact but only
>>>>>>>>  get the
>>>>>>>>>>   files on
>>>>>>>>>>>>    the disk linked in 
> MavenProject#getProjectArtifacts()...
>>>>>>>>  file(). This
>>>>>>>>>>   is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    case where the 
> maven-compiler-plugin kicks in. I'm
>>>>>>>>  currently in the
>>>>>>>>>>   process
>>>>>>>>>>>>    of rewriting big parts of it, 
> mainly I introduced
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       b.1 a check for 
> project.artifacts/project.testArtifacts
>>>>>>>>  .file()
>>>>>>>>>>   is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>    local file path .isDirectory() 
> and has files which are newer
>>>>>>>>  (actually
>>>>>>>>>>>   =)
>>>>>>>>>>>>    than the buildStarted timestamp.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       b.2 check whether there 
> are any *.java (sourceincludes)
>>>>>>>>  files
>>>>>>>>>>   which are
>>>>>>>>>>>>    newer than their class files.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     In both cases I now force a 
> FULL recompile of the module!
>>>>>>>>>>   Compiling only
>>>>>>>>>>>>    parts produced classes which are 
> actually broken!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     My approach is the 
> following: compiling a bit too much is
>>>>>>>>  better
>>>>>>>>>>   than
>>>>>>>>>>>>    missing some files which need 
> compilation. Because the later
>>>>>>>>  is exactly
>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    reason why noone uses mvn compile 
> but always do a mvn clean
>>>>>>>>  compile
>>>>>>>>>>   nowadays. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>    mvn compile is reliable, then we 
> will end up being much faster
>>>>>>>>  than an
>>>>>>>>>>>>    unconditional full compile on the 
> whole project!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     LieGrue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     strub
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     PS: We need to move all our 
> plugins which still use the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    plugin-testing-harness to the 
> maven-invoker-plugin as the
>>>>>>>>  test-harness
>>>>>>>>>>   is broken
>>>>>>>>>>>>    with sisu. (sisu changed the 
> 'container' field from
>>>>>>>>  plexus
>>>>>>>>>>   original:
>>>>>>>>>>>>    protected to 'private')
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     PPS: how do we maintain the 
> plexus-compiler-utils stuff?
>>>>>>>>  This
>>>>>>>>>>   contains some
>>>>>>>>>>>>    weirdo bugs which should get 
> fixed...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     From: Olivier Lamy 
> <ol...@apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     To: Maven Developers 
> List
>>>>>>>>  <dev@maven.apache.org>; Mark
>>>>>>>>>>   Struberg
>>>>>>>>>>>>    <strub...@yahoo.de>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Sent: Monday, August 27, 
> 2012 9:13 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Subject: Re: improving 
> incremental builds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Hi,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Sounds good idea trying 
> to improve that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     My question: on what is 
> based the md5 calculation ?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     If people don't use 
> 'install' but only
>>>>>>>>>>   'test'
>>>>>>>>>>>>    (perso I use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     avoid too much io with 
> jar creation etc..), so in
>>>>>>>>  such case we
>>>>>>>>>>   cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     do md5 calculation on 
> the produced artifact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     2012/8/26 Mark Struberg 
> <strub...@yahoo.de>:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Hi David!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      So your idea is 
> to find the list of changed
>>>>>>>>  modules
>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      then build that 
> list with -amd?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Yes, kind of.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      At the moment mvn 
> -amd builds the dependents of
>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>   _current_
>>>>>>>>>>>>    module. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     you use my example and 
> change BeanA.java, then run
>>>>>>>>  mvn -amd
>>>>>>>>>>   from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    root module
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     you will see that only 
> moduleA gets rebuild and
>>>>>>>>  moduleB
>>>>>>>>>>   remains
>>>>>>>>>>>>    original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     Because moduleB is not a 
> dependent of the root
>>>>>>>>  module.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      But yes, I'm 
> completely with you that we
>>>>>>>>  have most of
>>>>>>>>>>   the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    ingredients
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     in the maven codebase 
> already. At least for the start
>>>>>>>>  we could
>>>>>>>>>>   easily
>>>>>>>>>>>>    detect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     changed build results 
> and add those to the
>>>>>>>>  'amd' list.
>>>>>>>>>>   That
>>>>>>>>>>>>    would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     already be much better 
> than what we have today imo.
>>>>>>>>  And this
>>>>>>>>>>   should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>    pretty
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     easy to implement.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Indeed, what I 
> proposed goes a bit beyond -amd.
>>>>>>>>  I would
>>>>>>>>>>   not only
>>>>>>>>>>>>    check the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     current build tree like 
> -amd does (even if that would
>>>>>>>>  be a
>>>>>>>>>>   good start)
>>>>>>>>>>>>    but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     remember the md5 of all 
> the dependencies of each
>>>>>>>>  module
>>>>>>>>>>   (simply store
>>>>>>>>>>>>    them in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     file in ./target/) And 
> if you find a dependency which
>>>>>>>>  is not
>>>>>>>>>>   in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    list (e.g.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     after upgrade from one 
> version to another) or has a
>>>>>>>>  different
>>>>>>>>>>   md5 (this
>>>>>>>>>>>>    covers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     SNAPSHOT versions) , 
> then we could force a full
>>>>>>>>  rebuild (mvn
>>>>>>>>>>   -amd) of
>>>>>>>>>>>>    this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     module.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      LieGrue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      strub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      ----- Original 
> Message -----
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      From: David 
> Jencks
>>>>>>>>  <david_jen...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      To: Maven 
> Developers List
>>>>>>>>>>   <dev@maven.apache.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Cc:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Sent: Sunday, 
> August 26, 2012 8:34 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Subject: Re: 
> improving incremental builds
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Is what you 
> want different from what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      mvn -amd 
> moduleA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      does?  So your 
> idea is to find the list of
>>>>>>>>  changed
>>>>>>>>>>   modules and
>>>>>>>>>>>>    then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     build that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      list with -amd?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      david jencks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      On Aug 25, 
> 2012, at 1:32 PM, Mark Struberg
>>>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Hi folks!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       After a 
> short discussion with Kristian,
>>>>>>>>  I've
>>>>>>>>>>   created
>>>>>>>>>>>>    a small
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     app with 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      modules which 
> shows a few problems with
>>>>>>>>  mavens
>>>>>>>>>>   incremental
>>>>>>>>>>>>    build logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       And since 
> incremental builds do not
>>>>>>>>  work well,
>>>>>>>>>>   people use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $> mvn 
> _clean_ install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       all the 
> time.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       We could 
> speed up the development
>>>>>>>>  effort heavily
>>>>>>>>>>   if we
>>>>>>>>>>>>    make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       $> mvn 
>  install
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       (without 
> an upfront clean) more
>>>>>>>>  reliable.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       The sample 
> [1] consists of moduleA and
>>>>>>>>  moduleB
>>>>>>>>>>   with BeanA
>>>>>>>>>>>>    and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     BeanB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      respectively.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       BeanB has 
> a private BeanA field and
>>>>>>>>  moduleB has
>>>>>>>>>>   a
>>>>>>>>>>>>    dependency on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     moduleA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       If I 
> change BeanA and just invoke mvn
>>>>>>>>  install
>>>>>>>>>>   then only
>>>>>>>>>>>>    moduleA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     gets
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      rebuilt. We 
> currently do not rebuild
>>>>>>>>  moduleB, but we
>>>>>>>>>>   should do
>>>>>>>>>>>>    to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     create a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      reliable 
> output.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       In fact, 
> the incremental build within a
>>>>>>>>  single
>>>>>>>>>>   module
>>>>>>>>>>>>    already
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     works to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      degrees, but we 
> must detect a change in
>>>>>>>>  dependencies
>>>>>>>>>>   and
>>>>>>>>>>>>    trigger a full
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     rebuild
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      on all 
> depending modules. This could be done
>>>>>>>>  by
>>>>>>>>>>   storing the
>>>>>>>>>>>>    md5 of all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      dependency 
> artifacts and compare them on the
>>>>>>>>  next
>>>>>>>>>>   build. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>    the md5 of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      dependency did 
> change, then we need to build
>>>>>>>>  the
>>>>>>>>>>   module full
>>>>>>>>>>>>    cycle.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Other 
> ideas are welcome. Slaps as well
>>>>>>>>  if I
>>>>>>>>>>   forgot some
>>>>>>>>>>>>    obvious
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>     stuff and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      all works well 
> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       LieGrue,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       strub
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
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