On 21 July 2013 14:05, Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org> wrote: > 2013/7/21 sebb <seb...@gmail.com>: >> On 21 July 2013 13:30, Robert Scholte <rfscho...@apache.org> wrote: >>> "Also, the files change relatively rarely once set up." >>> >>> I thought you strongly believed in Murphy's Law... >> >> Not sure how that is relevant. >> >>> >>> I agree with Dennis: let's ask for the *facts* why these files are required >>> here. >> >> Robert already quoted this earlier in the thread: >> From http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#source-tree-location >> >> If you think that's wrong, it needs to be take up with Infra. > > why infra? they decide about our licensing mode?
They are responsible for the dev/ pages. >> >>> If it is because they need to be included in the source-release file, >>> then add them additionally instead of maintaining them per project. >> >> No, they need to be included in SCM as well. >> >> Since the SCM tree is basically what becomes the source archive, the >> same files will do for both. >> It's trivial to include the files in the source assembly descriptor so >> they become part of the source archive. >> >>> >>> Op Sun, 21 Jul 2013 14:17:12 +0200 schreef sebb <seb...@gmail.com>: >>> >>>> On 21 July 2013 13:09, Dennis Lundberg <denn...@apache.org> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone asked if we can use generated files instead? >>>>> >>>>> Many of the ASF rules are written by people that have not concidered the >>>>> fact that things such as these can be automated. Therefore many of these >>>>> rules are stated in a way that does not fit directly into the Maven way >>>>> of >>>>> doing things. >>>> >>>> >>>> And some things are not readily automateable - AFAIK there is no >>>> accuratate data from which to automate this. >>>> How do you track code imports with copyright statements? There are >>>> several different ways to treat these. >>>> Also, different licenses have different attribution requirements, and >>>> for ones that do require attribution it has to be determined from the >>>> license, which does not have a fixed format. >>>> >>>> Also, the files change relatively rarely once set up. >>>> Addition of 3rd party source or binaries to the archives is the main >>>> reason to change the N&L files. >>>> >>>>> We do include these files in "every Apache distribution" we make. It's >>>>> just >>>>> that we do not store them in SCM. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dennis Lundberg >>>>> Den 21 jul 2013 11:13 skrev "Robert Scholte" <rfscho...@apache.org>: >>>>> >>>>>> From http://www.apache.org/dev/**licensing-howto.html#source-** >>>>>> >>>>>> tree-location<http://www.apache.org/dev/licensing-howto.html#source-tree-location> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Location Within the Source Tree >>>>>> >>>>>> LICENSE and NOTICE belong at the top level of the source tree. They may >>>>>> be >>>>>> named LICENSE.txt and NOTICE.txt, but the bare names are preferred." >>>>>> >>>>>> If you consider a release root as the top level of the source tree, then >>>>>> they need to be placed here. >>>>>> And yes, I'm aware that they are already bundled with the binairy, but >>>>>> these lines are quite clear where these files are expected. >>>>>> >>>>>> Robert >>>>>> >>>>>> Op Sun, 21 Jul 2013 08:57:28 +0200 schreef Olivier Lamy >>>>>> <ol...@apache.org >>>>>> >: >>>>>> >>>>>> why? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is it mandatory? If yes I'd like to have some links. >>>>>>> AFAIK those files are generated. >>>>>>> This mean we will have to add those files for all artifacts we produce. >>>>>>> If one day the content change we will have to change all files in the >>>>>>> scm instead of only the plugin which generate that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Seriously? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2013/7/20 <rfscho...@apache.org>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Author: rfscholte >>>>>>>> Date: Sat Jul 20 12:58:34 2013 >>>>>>>> New Revision: 1505129 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/r1505129 >>>>>>>> Log: >>>>>>>> Add LICENSE and NOTICE files >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Added: >>>>>>>> maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE >>>>>>>> maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/NOTICE >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Added: maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE >>>>>>>> URL: http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/**maven/plugins/trunk/maven-** >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> install-plugin/LICENSE?rev=**1505129&view=auto<http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/maven/plugins/trunk/maven-install-plugin/LICENSE?rev=1505129&view=auto> >>>>>>>> ==============================**==============================** >>>>>>>> ================== >>>>>>>> --- maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE (added) >>>>>>>> +++ maven/plugins/trunk/maven-**install-plugin/LICENSE Sat Jul 20 >>>>>>>> 12:58:34 2013 >>>>>>>> @@ -0,0 +1,202 @@ >>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>> + Apache License >>>>>>>> + Version 2.0, January 2004 >>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**licenses/<http://www.apache.org/licenses/> >>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>> + TERMS AND CONDITIONS FOR USE, REPRODUCTION, AND DISTRIBUTION >>>>>>>> + >>>>>>>> + 1. 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